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Buckle up, degenerates—Zach and Josh are back to dissect the week’s media dumpster fires and hidden gems. This time, we’re kicking things off with a new segment: what we watched, what we liked, and what we’d rather gouge our eyes out than sit through again. Spoiler alert: Netflix’s Electric State lands squarely in the eye-gouging camp. Chris Pratt and Millie Bobby Brown try to spark some retro-robot chemistry, but the plot’s so rushed it’s like they forgot to plug in the script. Robots going rogue in a 90s alt-history wasteland? Cool concept. Execution? A two-hour snooze-fest with more holes than a Vegas stripper’s alibi. Josh called it—should’ve been a series, not a movie. Zach’s side-eyeing the liberal Hollywood agenda, wondering if it’s an Elon dig or just another woke sermon. Either way, it’s a hard pass—5/5 for CGI, 0/5 for making sense.

Then we pivot to the good stuff: Severance Season 2 finale on Apple TV. Holy shit, this show’s a mind-bender—Adam Scott’s killing it as a split-personality office drone, and Ben Stiller’s basically trolling Scientology with a straight face. No woke preaching here, just pure, unsettling brilliance. We spoiled the hell out of it, so if you haven’t watched, tough luck—go binge and thank us later. 

The rant train keeps rolling with Hollywood’s DEI disasters: Snow White tanked harder than a lead zeppelin (mirror’s blind if it picks Ziegler over Gadot), and HBO’s black Severus Snape has us screaming “Accio better casting!” Pacific Rim Uprising gets a nod for worst sequel ever—kids saving the day? Zach’s personal nightmare. We reminisce over American Pie and Superbad defining our high school glory days, but can’t name a decent teen flick past 2015—did COVID kill the genre? Toss in some love for Wild Wild West (Will Smith’s Matrix fumble still slaps), a Wicked musical meh-fest, and a plea for Kathleen Kennedy to stay gone from Star Wars, and you’ve got Episode 73.

Oh, and we’re begging you to call in—Instagram us your grievances, show recs, or hate mail. What’s the last great high school movie? Hit us up, or we’ll assume you’re too busy rewatching Project X to care. Like, subscribe, share—let’s keep this infinite weekend rolling.

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Zach:

All right. Episode 73, infinite Weekend Podcast. Zach here, josh over there, yo.

Josh:

What's happening y'all? Another week has gone by.

Zach:

Pretty much, you know, to try something a little different this time around. We may make this like a staple, yeah, a recurring thing at the beginning, at the top of the podcast. But basically I mean you guys know we we consume a lot of media of different sorts and so we figured we'd just let you know what we watched this week and we're going to just kind of pick out maybe throw one thing, one thing we like, maybe throw a recommendation, maybe throw a recommendation, maybe.

Zach:

or let us know, We'll let you know what we don't think is great and take it or leave it. Yeah, pretty much. Um, I know something that, uh, I guess I don't know. We didn't really talk to start off.

Zach:

I'll start off yeah, go ahead, I'll be right yeah, um, this is something that you told me that you watched already, and so I ended up getting to watch it this week, and I'm going to start off with my thing I didn't like, okay, um, of course, you know, you know I watched a lot of stuff, right, but I had to pick something I didn't like. Generally, I don't pick things. I don't think I'll like you know what I'm saying.

Zach:

But I ended up not really liking it, so it's going to be my thing that I didn't like this week. Okay, the electric state.

Josh:

Didn't like it. I got to be honest, I didn't think you would. Yeah, I suggested it because I knew you'd like analyze it and then let me know. But after I watched I was like I don't think it's his thing, but I'm going to tell him to check it out anyways.

Zach:

It's on Netflix, you know Chris Pratt, millie, bobby Brown, and it's kind of set in the 90s. It's kind of an alternate history to where you know, kind of like throwback retro style robots have kind of evolved to, to, to that point.

Josh:

Yeah, it's based off a short story from 2018.

Zach:

There was a, there was a, a war. They got sent in and rose up and there was a war and they ended up losing, getting exiled to this, basically the, the Midwest, like Vegas, looking areas where it looked like like utah or some shit and um, uh, you know, then I'm not going to give away the story, but, like, I mean, that's, that's the basic that's what it is, that's the setting, that's the synapse for it um and uh.

Zach:

My general dislike for it was uh, first. First of all, it was rushed. Even though it was a two-hour movie. The plot just fucking, especially the beginning, didn't really take enough time and enough care, I think, to set up the world and then just dropped you into it. There was like no character development whatsoever. Motivations for some of the characters didn't make no sense, like Chris Pratt's character. Like Chris Pratt and Millie Bobby Brown had a decent chemistry, I guess.

Zach:

Yeah.

Zach:

But I think their cast, the dialogue and the plot itself did not lend to developing out that chemistry between the two. Correct, you see what I'm saying?

Josh:

Yeah it should have been or they just kind of.

Zach:

You know, everybody's motivation is like changing on a dime, and I hate that where you don't get to actually understand or see why a character changes mind or why they all of a sudden turn good, you know what I'm saying.

Josh:

I think it should have been a television series. You could have stretched out.

Zach:

You could have fleshed it out.

Josh:

You could have fleshed out and then kind of figure out, establish why we like this person, why we dislike this person. The story's a little muddy. The only interaction you got in the beginning. You know not to give it a. I don't want to give too much away, but Chris Pratt's character you get briefly during like a you know a newscast and you're like that guy sounds like an idiot.

Josh:

Like there's the way that was portrayed, and then, of course, hers flashes out a little more in the beginning. But yeah, award-winning movie by any means. It's a it's it's fun the cg's really crisp. There's some voiceover acting for the yeah robot characters.

Zach:

That's really good well, actually, I just there are some things that I'm going to mention that I don't like about that. We'll give away spoilers. So I don't give a fuck about spoilers, really. Um is uh the, the whole premise of the, the bad guy's motivation, right? Is he's like a uh Jobs, steve Jobs was evil, basically Kind of sort of Type. I mean, he had the whole, he had the turtleneck. For fuck's sake.

Josh:

But I don't know, but you don't know why he's.

Zach:

I never understood why he was Well. I also think that they were trying to anytime. I watch something now and fuck liberal Hollywood for doing this to me. But now I look, I watch everything with like a side eye. Yeah, like I'm just waiting for it. I'm like what are you really trying to tell me here? That's correct.

Zach:

I mean what is?

Zach:

what's the message behind what you're doing?

Zach:

Where's?

Zach:

this narrative, and there could be many different ways to interpret the same thing, right, but I'm I'm always going to give it the most uncharitable description or analysis because of who I know. That makes these things. Not that I say I want it to be overtly MAGA or fucking whatever, but just don't be stupid. So I'm watching this thing unfold and I'm like are they trying to tell me that, like immigrants are, are all good and all the bad, you know? Are they making a, making a reference to Elon Musk here? Like what are they doing? Yeah, you know what I mean, I don't know.

Zach:

Here's the thing, though. Is that move? This movie was made, you know? I don't know, it's not like it last week, so maybe it wasn't, but I don't know. I always get this sense that they're trying to sneak in some messaging when Chris Pratt's there usually, I kind of hope that's political and reflects our world, not just general thematic.

Josh:

I kind of hope when I see Chris Pratt in something that it's going to be.

Zach:

He reads the script.

Josh:

I kind of think that I do too. I like her, I think she does great. I don't think it's their, I don't think they were the problem. I think it's just the movie in general. It's the script. The story's been told a million times Robots, self-aware. We don't want to be mistreated. We're tired of doing your bullshit work that you don't want to do.

Zach:

Yeah.

Zach:

It's the same that you could see from a mile away. So I knew I had a feeling that whenever the robot showed up, the little kid's cartoon robot that showed up, astro Boy or whatever- yeah, that was just the character from the TV show. When he showed up and he started you know he started I must have like looked away at my phone or something. But I just at some point I was like oh, she just like accepts this, like immediately.

Josh:

Well, because she finds out who he is. Like that's part of the story.

Zach:

I get what I'm saying, though. It's like this robot breaks into her house, correct? Yeah, scares the shit out of her, lifts the fucking bed up she's scared shitless, yep, and then boom on a fucking dime. He does like one thing and it it's not. She doesn't question.

Josh:

It is what I'm saying no and I she accepts it way too quick that it doesn't make sense to me. She accepted it quick and I only my only bank on it. When I thought that was like maybe it's because it's the cartoon her brother was obsessed with yeah, but my. So there was a little.

Zach:

But the thing that Familiar. Maybe she thought he was dead, though, yeah, I know. So my Like someone would have done that. She would have been upset Like where did you hear that? Where'd you see that? Where'd you, you know, thinking it was somebody doing something, or you would have something, I don't know. I know what I'm saying.

Josh:

That part was she immediately assumed it was her dead brother. It was so quick. And then it, finally you've she figures it out, like he finally where you're, like she's just helping this thing out and I don't know that part.

Zach:

it's muddy.

Josh:

It's a muddy story.

Zach:

I didn't like that part. And then the main motivation, or the master plan or the technology or whatever that the villain ends up developing was. This just doesn't make sense to me. The whole movie is absurd anyway, but it has to make sense. Things have to make sense within the world that you've created, right?

Josh:

Yeah.

Zach:

And it just doesn't make sense because of all the things they've got, like you know, mr Peanut, and you know a bunch of like uh for advertising and stuff advertising robot, a bunch of stuff running around. So obviously it's absurd. And they become sentient somehow, even though they're like like general maintenance bots, like how they don't, they're not ai. So it's like how do they become sentient?

Zach:

right, and there's no, they don't explain that at all none of that um so you're just supposed to assume they went rogue yeah, you're supposed to just like oh okay, a a robot that just cuts hair and it's in the shape of a fucking chair, becomes sentient. Right, like, like why. You know what I mean.

Josh:

How did something that low-tech become sentient? Well, most of them are still dumb. They're mostly dumb right that one only says a few words. There's only a couple that are Right, like the guy who runs the burger place.

Zach:

Yes.

Josh:

The male lady Like.

Zach:

there's a few that are smarter than the others Because they had to maybe interact with humans or do speech or whatever.

Josh:

But the peanut guy was like, which was Woody Harrelson? I'm pretty sure it was Woody.

Zach:

Harrelson, yeah, I can detect his voice from a mile away. But anyway, put that aside. The villain's master plan was that this kid, who's a super genius, he's like the next Einstein or whatever. They don't really explain like I guess they touch on that he may be the new Einstein or whatever. They don't really explain, like why he's that special. So he gets in a car accident, he's in a coma. They, you know, fake his death, essentially tell everybody that he's dead. Both their parents die, I guess in the car crash, and they whisk him away to First of all.

Zach:

I don't know how they discovered this necessarily, but the plan was to put the kid into a machine and then run this virtual world through his brain for it to function correctly. He was like the bridge, that gap between that they needed, I don't the tech. The technology and the explanation of it made no fucking sense to me. It was silly, it was kind of a throwaway, it was just, it was way too absurd I haven't checked the source material it was done better in the book, in the short, so I don't know I have looked that up, but it was.

Zach:

It was dumb. I didn't like it. I was like this is, this is very stupid. Yeah, um, so you know, the movie just lost it. For me, the only thing I think was cool, uh, that I did like was and it's the only one that made sense was anthony mackie's character, the robot herman the. He was the. It was anthony. I'm pretty sure that was anthony I know that was anthony mackie.

Zach:

I didn't know that and, uh, that, uh, he was the construction bot and he looked like something you would design to be a construction bot or any kind of bot. You know what I'm saying? It looked better. Let me pull that stuff he looked better.

Josh:

I wanted to see a movie with more things like that thing well, you could do one without humans, oh yeah, but yeah, you're right, I mean, I mean, and he had the different versions where he was really big and then he was really really big and then he was really tiny at the end. What was his name? Herman Martin Kleba.

Zach:

Martin Kleba. I thought there was an Anthony Mackie character in there.

Josh:

No, it wasn't. Yes, was an Anthony Mackie character in there? No, it wasn't.

Zach:

Yes, it was. This is straight from the cast. I swear to God. Anthony Mackie was on the credits. I'm looking.

Josh:

I'm looking yeah, oh, okay. Yeah, he played the voice, but that little dude played the actual bot.

Zach:

Oh well, yeah, my bad, my bad.

Josh:

Well, there's cast, and I didn't think there was people in those roles. I thought that was all CG. I don't know why he's. Maybe they had some, maybe it was probably the motion capture suit. That's probably what it was Okay yeah, anthony Mackie is Herman.

Zach:

I didn't catch that, yeah, yeah.

Josh:

Woody Harrelson, jenny Slate.

Zach:

Brian Cox. Jenny Slate was the male chick.

Zach:

Let's see Brian Cox was he was Mr Peanut.

Josh:

Rob.

Zach:

Mr. Yeah, I didn't know that.

Zach:

Yeah, brian Cox was easy to recognize because I'd watched that show, succession, and so he's got a very distinct voice.

Josh:

Yes, yes, of course I forgot his name. Yep, okay, so good, voice cast for sure.

Zach:

Also, here's the other thing that made no sense to me. The final battle is where they fought all of these, um, you know, human controlled robots. That's where people, the technology is that they put on this like vr, like headset, and it splits their brain to where half of it, can you know, do bullshit like be on the beach or whatever exactly, and do whatever you want and the other half can control this.

Zach:

You know, sentient or not sentient, this automatron, that where you can move around and engage in the world and work and all those kinds of things and do your job so you can make money and all this kind of stuff.

Zach:

First of all, that made no sense. That was.

Zach:

I didn't like that. That's not how brains work. And then, two, the war broke out between the humans and robots. Humans were losing, yeah. And then because of this kid, this super genius, and they stick him in the machine and he becomes like the missing cog in this master plan to where everybody who puts on those VR headsets can actually function. One of the you know the robots and simultaneously exists in this like dream world or whatever. You know much like ready player. One kind of thing the robots and simultaneously exists in this like dream world or whatever. Um, you know much like ready player one kind of thing or it kind of reminds me of that movie.

Zach:

Um uh surrogates with Bruce Willis.

Josh:

You know what I'm talking about.

Zach:

It's kind of like that Um pretty much that vibe, uh, and it had a whole you know retro nineties look to it. So everything was like kind of bulky and big and it wasn't. You know, it wasn't very high tech looking, but they do this and they end up because of this that they were able to repel the robots Right that have become sentient. Okay.

Josh:

And this is within a couple days, and apparently within a like immediately. Yes, it started winning, like they just whooped their ass. They're not. These weren't military bots. Right they were like the Coca-Cola guy, the mailman, Right they were like advertisements or service bots or whatever.

Zach:

A magician, exactly. But they were humans, were losing, because at least the robots are made of metal and they can probably hit harder. They don't have to sleep and humans were losing until this tech got figured out. And then the final battle of the movie and those robots, those same ones got their asses handed to them by the same robots that they had, you know, basically wiped out. You know however many you know, 20 years later, when they're all rusted and shitty. Yeah, and I'm just that took, I was like it took me out.

Josh:

It's muddy.

Zach:

Your script's not making any sense. I gave it like a five and a half.

Josh:

Yeah, five is fine.

Zach:

Five is fine. It had good special effects.

Josh:

Chris Pratt's flick was funny. Go into it just knowing that it's not a blockbuster flick. The directors, the Russo brothers, have done incredible films. Directors and the russo brothers have done incredible films. That's why I was kind of shocked, yeah, but like you, I think you said it best in the beginning it's it's very rushed the, the russo brothers for me.

Zach:

I was thinking about this the other day because when I saw that I was like okay, then that makes sense for them. Um, and they also did this show, uh, called um citadel. Okay, it's on um amazon and it's got um the, the king in the north. I can't remember his name Kit Harington, no other dude. The first one, the first king of the north. Oh, fuck it was Robb Stark, but I can't remember the name of the actor. Let me look. Let me pull it up. It's going to drive me. Pull it up.

Josh:

Pull it up. Pull it up. What was his king? He wasn't a king. He wasn't a king, he was Lord.

Zach:

No, he was, yeah, lord Stark. Yeah, in season two he was king on the north, that unstuck Sean Bean. No, not the his son, robb Stark. Oh, you know what Pretty boy? Yeah, yeah, Robb.

Josh:

Fuck man, we're going through the whole family tree here. I don't know his name from. I don't know that. Dude, I got it. Hold on, I got it.

Zach:

Richard Madden. Yeah, richard Madden. Thanks, richard, I appreciate it Sorry, there, dick. Madden, yeah. And then the Indian chick that's married to Joe Jonas, or whatever the fuck oh whatever her name is, she's really hot yeah, what is her name? Let's look it up, we have the know. Anyway, joe jonas hot wife. Yeah, all right, let me put that in. It's not sophie turner, it is sophie turner, that's not the indian. No, not, not. Uh, not joe jonas, she's hot too um the other jonas this is the buffer one yeah it's not.

Josh:

What is it? Joe jonas, and let's look Nick, nick Jonas.

Zach:

I just read that. This is important though.

Zach:

Right, we got to get these details right. Yeah, I'm going to get a fax, right I got this new phone.

Josh:

You think it'd be fast, but I can't type where that shit Nick Jonas wife. I can't pronounce that.

Zach:

Show it to me, maybe you can. Oh, priyanka Chopra.

Josh:

Yeah, thank you. Pc for short.

Zach:

Yeah, yeah, right, right, or Pri Pri.

Josh:

I like that Pri Chopra.

Zach:

Okay, that's what it is. Yeah, so anyway it's Richard Madden and Priyanka Chopra, or, I guess, priyanka Jonas.

Josh:

Well, I think they hyphenated.

Zach:

I don't know what the fuck they do in Hollywood, chopra Jonas yeah, whatever, jonas, anyway they're in this show called Citadel and it's about like these secret agents and it's, you know they, there's a double cross and then they gotta get to the bottom of it and it's very highly stylized kind of thing and it's, it's so ungrounded from reality. It's like the Russo brothers had spent too much time making. It's like they made 20 avengers movies and they didn't know how to make anything else.

Zach:

Good, it should have just stopped, and right, I agree sir so because most of the things that I've watched of theirs post and, like avenger, I don't think they're that great. I'm just gonna say that I don't think the russo brothers are that great of a director. It's it's the reason why we think that we like them is because of what they of avengers of course, affinity war in the end game.

Josh:

That's the reason I don't know them.

Zach:

For anything else I see I've seen some of their other stuff and it's always like okay that's what electric said I'm like okay, that's fine. I you know, I basically entertain, entertain air quote entertain myself for two hours. I'm never gonna watch it again. No, I don't care anything about it.

Josh:

No, it's forgettable, I'll forget about it and I also watched it too, and I told you to watch it because the audience score was better than the critic score. Yeah, so I like to always go for that first, because I'm like fuck critics, I'm going into this yeah, generally yeah because anytime there's a film where it's like critics loved it and the audience hated it, the the movie sucked.

Zach:

I think someone came up with like a rule for rotten tomatoes. It's something to go, something like if the audience score is really high but the and the critic score is really low, like low under 30, like really low, it's probably a good movie. Okay, right, if it's. If the, if the audience score and the critic score are pretty close together, but the audience score is better than the critic score, right, it's probably a bad movie.

Josh:

Yeah.

Zach:

Yeah Right, it's the general kind of thing you look at. If the critics absolutely loved it but the audiences hated it, like it's completely inverse, like critics give it a 90-something and audiences give it less than 20, it's probably a shit-ass movie. It's probably a terrible fucking movie. It's probably boring. It's probably just Oscar bait kind of shit.

Josh:

That's what I was looking at.

Zach:

But if they're a little bit closer and the critics liked it better than the audience, then that's also. That is a 50-50 movie. It could be good, it could be bad. I've heard someone explain it that way and I's that's. I've heard someone explain it that way and I think that's pretty accurate. So when you're I would agree when you're reading those- those rotten tomato reviews.

Josh:

Keep that in mind. I go to if you ever want a good, if you don't want to go like to a big time movie review, if you go to rotten tomatoes, which I use that site a lot. Um, I always go to not top choices, but like people like us, and of course people are smarter than that field, but they always give like. I always go for something that's like an average viewer that's just watching it. Give me Timmy straight. I don't need to know if it's, you know, oscar worthy.

Zach:

The better thing to do is like is find some writers that you like where you've read their stuff screen reviews and specific individuals, or maybe if there's enough people in a particular organization where they're pretty spot on. But I mean, sometimes even Screen Rant will do some stuff where I'm like I don't agree with that.

Zach:

But it all depends on who's writing the article in Screen Rant, right? It's not always just one person, right? Or it's usually a gaggle of them, and they could be, you know, hired and fired and going from different places, like maybe someone from screen rent got hired and they actually came over from you know, I don't know.

Josh:

Comic bookcom, one of those, whatever, some shitty one.

Zach:

You never know, but I try to find. I try to find ones that I see more often. I'm like, oh, I like he. He was pretty spot on with how I felt about the movie, so I would kind of follow him and I'll usually read just the, the title and the tagline and get an idea, Cause I don't like to read too deep into it and get spoilered.

Josh:

Yeah, that's why I always try to go to I try to just get the top.

Zach:

You know what, what the sense of the movie was from his, that person's perspective, and then that gives me a good idea if it's going to be good or not, cause I mean good or not because I mean, you know, like you look I'm, you know we're all busy and you know I don't want to waste my time on correct stuff. That's terrible. So I try to give those reviews a little grain of salt, but they're necessary, you know, because I don't want to waste my time with some crap I've got.

Zach:

I've checked out quite a bit this week but I don't know if you've seen the same ones I have my good thing is and we guess we're're going to talk about that before we move on to yours was a severance season finale.

Josh:

That was the best thing I watched this week. That show is season two finale.

Zach:

That was awesome. I love that show which we're going to dive into that one, but so later. But if you want to do your, yeah, yeah.

Josh:

So I guess I guess a good, a good thing I watched, besides Severance. I started shrinking on Apple. Tv okay, two episodes in, I give it like an eight and a half. I heard it's funny it's good, it's really good dark humor like situationally funny. Yes, it's got Harrison Ford and Jason.

Zach:

Segel.

Josh:

Jason Segel. Thank you, those two are kind of your, take the take the spear of it, jason Segel. Jason Segel, thank you, those two are kind of your, take the take the spear of it, jason Segel, which I he's hit or miss for me you know, he kind of he kind of. He just kind of saddens me sometimes when I watch him, like I just he's always seems to be the character that just always gets the shaft, whatever the situation is, but in this one he's really.

Zach:

I like him in. He'll always be funny to me. He's always going to be up there top tier for me because of Forgetting Sarah Marshall. This is 40. And I love you, man.

Josh:

Oh, fuck, I forgot. And this is 40. And this is 40.

Zach:

He's really good, he's a trainer.

Josh:

He has a. Really I like his style of comedy and the way he delivers. But in this one I'll give you just a brief, quick thing. I won't give anything away. He is a grieving therapist. His wife passes away. He's grieving for like the last year and he's kind of like a little bit at the end of his rope not suicidal, but just kind of fucking, just fucked Okay. And he's got a daughter in high school which he's disconnected from because You're like how the fuck is this dude going to give anybody therapy?

Zach:

So it's like that. What's that show with Ricky Gervais?

Zach:

Oh, After.

Josh:

Afterlife. Yeah so that's a little different. It's kind of just a grieving man.

Zach:

Instead of a therapist, he's a journalist.

Josh:

Yeah, so it's a little different comedy, but they're very yeah, I'd say, brother and sister type thing. It's good. I would recommend anyone checking that out. It's a really good show. I'm only two in, but it's good. It's good for me because Severance has come to an end so I have to get into something else. So I think Shrinking is where I'm going to take point.

Zach:

I'm looking forward to that because he's weird.

Josh:

He weird dude. He's a weird. He was weird, and for a long time, when he first started, even in star wars. If you watch old interviews and old like set videos, that's a weird cat dude. I know he was banging carrie fisher, though back.

Zach:

Yeah, yeah, he, harrison ford comes across to me as he's been, uh, you know, 78 years old for a long time he's like a, a senile old man.

Josh:

Yes, and he's been that way forever.

Zach:

In this one, though, he's solid. He doesn't care about like kind of the Hollywood glitz kind of thing.

Zach:

He doesn't give a shit.

Zach:

Yeah, uh, you know he doesn't. He doesn't want to play your fucking little games. It's his kind of demeanor. He's the boss like the caring so sarcastically dry.

Josh:

That's how he is in this, but it's perfect. Yeah, he does a great job. I like this is I've actually probably the last 10 years is the best thing I've seen him do.

Zach:

Okay, In my opinion, I I've you know he'll always be Han Solo, I don't care what he says, and, of course, people get upset a little bit, yeah, but you know he's just doing it because it's not his bag, but he I think he does he understands the the weight of that, of that franchise fans are crazy and that it launched his career and all this.

Zach:

Like I think he gets all that, but he just kind of like dismisses those, like when people ask like questions about like the world, he's like yeah, he's like I don't fucking know. He's basically kind of basically in his own way he doesn't say this, but he's basically you can see it in his mind. He's like I don't fucking know. Dude, that was like from 77 or 78. Fuck off man, Fuck in the 70s and you're talking about like laser swords and spaceships, Like that ain't even my thing, I'm just an actor.

Josh:

Dude, chill, the fuck out they're asking me about.

Zach:

You know, oh, what the? What do you think the? The atmosphere was like an older enemy, like I don't fucking know I mean.

Josh:

that's a good answer, though, Like.

Zach:

I don't know. It's not real. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, dude, that's a it's a crazy fan base. Was that did you already? What did you watch that you did?

Josh:

not like. I got a couple things Hit me with them, so tell me if you've seen these. Gladiator 2? Yeah, kraven.

Zach:

Did not see Kraven yet. Fuck, I picked Electric State over Kraven to watch this week. Actually, that's the reason I picked Electric State, because I figured Craven would be worse.

Josh:

I'll save Craven because I want you to watch it, because it's shitty.

Zach:

Okay.

Josh:

I'll talk about Gladiator too. I like Aaron.

Zach:

Taylor.

Josh:

Johnson, have you seen Wicked?

Zach:

No, I don't want to watch that. I watch Wicked. I know it's supposed to be good if you're into musicals.

Josh:

I'll talk about that.

Zach:

I do generally like musicals, but kind of I'll talk about that one I don't like Cynthia Erivo, let me get into it. Or Ariana Grande.

Josh:

I just finished this today. I just finished this movie today it's fresh.

Zach:

Hit me with it. It's fresh. Is this what you didn't like? One of the ones you didn't like this is what I did not like. Okay, hit me, I don't even have to watch.

Josh:

I love Wizard of Oz, anything in that realm.

Zach:

I love that stuff.

Josh:

Always have. I know a little bit about Wicked from its production on Broadway. I dated a girl that was really into it.

Zach:

Have you ever seen it? I've seen bits and clips. I've never gone and watched it.

Josh:

I've heard it's an awesome show. You've seen a film? Correct, yes, sir. So I know what's going on Sure and unfortunately, and going on sure and unfortunately, and you know how it is too. We just you kind of played on it. You kind of go into things already, like in your mind it's going to be fucking woke, there's going to be some weird ass shit in this I've seen interviews with ariana and the lady who plays cynthia reba yeah, I've seen, so I'll go ahead and state the they are both talented singers.

Josh:

They both sound great, the songs are catchy, all that. The things I don't like is there's a lot of like. There's dudes in skirts, there's dudes in makeup, there's like gay stuff everywhere.

Zach:

It's very like yeah, it's fucking wicked yeah, like it's, and that's fine they don't, it doesn't take point of the story it doesn't sure it doesn't

Josh:

spearhead any and that's fine. I don't care. You want to do your thing, do your thing. I don't give a fuck, but it's me. If you like musicals, it's okay, I don't yeah, it's not really my thing. She sings really great. Like first half is okay, they do all the story building. You kind of feel it. And it's part one comes out in November of this year and then your second half, like second act, you kind of figure out, oh yeah, this dude's a piece of shit, like the wizard's an asshole. It's Jeff Goldblum. The casting is great. Jeff Goldblum is cool. He's just the dude. He's an asshole piece of shit. She gets pissed and then, of course, she becomes the witch of the West, like that whole thing sets.

Josh:

It's predictable. You've already seen the stuff. I don't think it's. Don't believe the hype. Harper watched it with me because I I did find that it was kid friendly. There's nothing in there that I would not. It shouldn't have been oscar nominated. She only had one instance where she asked me like what's up with that? And I was able to play it off like it was a dude excited to see the handsome prince, and he was like, oh my god, it's like anything you need oh, harper was like, she like.

Zach:

Why is he acting?

Josh:

like that, and I was like because he's that handsome, he makes everybody nervous, honey. And she was like okay, got it, it was fine. Whatever, he is a handsome guy. He's from Bridgerton, he's going to be the new Jurassic park. He's a handsome dude. He plays the part Well there, but it's not. Don't believe the hype, in my opinion, no. But you kids can watch it. It's fun, it's got, but it's long for kids. She got towards the end, was kind of bored.

Zach:

she got bored but the cg is good. It sets. I think part two will be better.

Josh:

I'm ready to see her part two yeah, this is part one yeah, well, because you want to see her become evil oh, you don't get to see her become wicked she just kind of gets the stepping stone I got you but, but I mean.

Zach:

I could have watched it we already saw that.

Josh:

I know I could have lasted to watch 20 minutes and be fine with that movie. It was Mila Kunis.

Zach:

She turned that movie sucks ass, but we already saw it. You know what I'm saying.

Josh:

But that doesn't.

Zach:

That's a whole this traditionally in the like what happened that one I think, yeah, but I mean, it's a musical, it is, it's a stage production, it's a musical.

Josh:

The dancing's. There's a lot of dancing. There's a lot of singing. There's a, there's a few things where they're not singing and dancing, but it's heavy, is it?

Zach:

uh, I think is it. Maybe I'm making this up, but there was a controversy to where the stage production Jesus Christ Superstar.

Josh:

Yeah, I've never seen it.

Zach:

I haven't either.

Zach:

Is being cast by like a black woman or something. I think it's Cynthia Erivo.

Josh:

I don't know, maybe it's somebody else. You just saw where Snow White tanked.

Zach:

Oh my God, I'm so happy about that.

Josh:

I knew it would. Do you know how many different things they changed before?

Zach:

that fucking movie came out. So it's not just that because I'm happy that it tanked, because for multiple reasons and the reason why it tanked is not because of all the I mean it didn't help that Rachel Ziegler was out there just spouting a bunch of bullshit and Gal Gadot were basically Instagramming each other back and forth in a way where they were feuding over the Palestine-Israel thing. That was just stupid on Rachel Ziegler's part and Gal Gadot she actually served in the IDF.

Josh:

She has more of a stone to step on in that subject, right.

Zach:

Why would you do that? This is one of your leads. Disney should have told both of them to shut the fuck up about this. Yeah correct, disney lost control of it, but the sign that the movie was going to be shit was all the reshoots and the rewrites and all that.

Josh:

Well, you and everybody knows too We've talked about it before Disney is redoing all these stories, classic stories, with live action, whatever. They've all been pretty fucking terrible.

Zach:

Yeah, mostly so, and, like you said, there's reshooting because they were doing this. Of course, diversity right. They were trying to change the story, make it modern.

Josh:

Yeah, they had the dwarfs, like all different races, all different. At least they were people. It's like okay, whatever, I'm not shocked by any of this.

Zach:

Peter Dinklage got butt fart.

Josh:

I'm very numb by all this at this point. Well then, they cast it all CG. You couldn't just hire dwarfs, Like what the fuck it?

Zach:

looks terrible? Well, because they so. Originally that was the idea is that they. The reason why they had so many reshoots is because they did. Yeah, they had dwarves playing cool, uh, in the seven dwarves that would look better snow white and the seven dwarves. And then peter dinklage, uh, opened his stupid, fucking little mouth and uh, and he was crying about you know, the only parts that you know little people get to play are dwarves and I'm like, yeah, it's like uh, there's not a lot of uh movies out there that call for dwarves and I'm like, yeah, it's like uh, there's not a lot of uh movies out there that call for dwarves.

Josh:

Why would that be mad?

Zach:

You know what I mean.

Josh:

What he played a dwarf in one of the greatest shows that. What the fuck are you talking about?

Zach:

He's a little he's a little wokey, uh, and he runs his mouth that you'll be grateful for fucking having roles, but whatever, you're short with me. So he's kind of a little turd. Pun not intended.

Josh:

Sorry, I don't know why that was so funny, but it cracked me up and he shot his mouth off.

Zach:

So the Disney execs were like, oh fuck, we don't want to offend. Oh geez, here we go. They course corrected and then they remember that clip came out, or it was a candid shot that someone took behind the scenes while they were in production and the dwarves were just a bunch of different, like different, like a diverse cast of people.

Josh:

Yeah, there was like an Asian. There was like an Asian woman.

Zach:

There was like a dude, like a disabled person, and then you know it's like and it was like, but no one was a dwarf, there were no dwarves, they're all just different disabilities and races and everything else, and it just made no sense and people were shitting all over it and of course Disney was like fuck.

Zach:

They course corrected again.

Josh:

And then the only thing they could do at that point was CG the fucking doors, yeah, and so, and they don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know what, and it had a budget of like $258 million. It made 15.1 this week. I love it. It was estimated to make 52, 15.

Zach:

Yeah.

Josh:

Get fucked. Nobody I don't know, Nobody cares. They're not buying into your bullshit anymore.

Zach:

So not only was the dwarves, they just decided they did have dwarves and they didn't have dwarves. And then they made the dwarves even worse. Yep, Right, but the casting of Rachel Ziegler is really stupid because you know it's snow white. Her skin was as white as snow, you know hair as black as a raven or whatever you know like, clearly describing a, a type of person that was all points, and so they uh you know, they ended up casting a hispanic chick. Cool, um, makes sense, you know, uh, totally makes sense.

Josh:

Um, it's what I would do if I was making a movie about you know well, if you're scared of the masses, right, everyone's going to come after you outside, exactly. And then here's that loud 1% of people.

Zach:

And then they. And then you know Rachel Ziegler, she's not ugly, I'm not my, not my type.

Josh:

Not my type. I'm not really into her look but she's a cute girl.

Zach:

Hold the bottle. Awful yeah. So they didn't have to do it like that. And even if you look, even when you look at the cartoon, that's not even this hairstyle that Snow White has. It made no sense, do you think she do.

Josh:

You think when you're an actor or actor, when they and you know like okay, so you know if you're a personality, hire right, you know like Spanish chick that was.

Zach:

Do you know what I mean? Do you think that bothers them?

Josh:

They're like it's a badge of honor.

Zach:

No, I think that they are swimming. They are so immersed in that DEI bullshit that it's just normal to them they don't stick out because everyone's doing it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So here's the most absurd thing about Snow White and the casting and then doing the dwarves. Not doing the dwarves, then doing the dwarves, but worse. Here's the. Here's the most absurd thing about about Snow White. Now to say that Rachel Ziegler is hotter than Gal Gadot.

Josh:

No, you're fucking high.

Zach:

It's so stupid that is that one right there? I think this's the lesser known, lesser point that people bring up, but I think it's one of the more obvious points You're like really.

Josh:

Yeah, she's not. Let's go ahead and get this out of the way, the whole premise of the McGuffin, the plotcguffin, the whole, the, the plot device.

Zach:

Yeah, that's happening in this movie. Is that the evil queen? Who's the ferris? The ferris of all of them all looks into a mirror and the mirror says you know, mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the ferris of them all? And then it's like not you this time, bitch, there's another, she's and it's rachel ziggler.

Josh:

It's like this mirror's fucked up when you take it back.

Zach:

Cause. It should have been like uh, you by right. Like sorry, there's immediately I'm out. You know I'm taking out.

Josh:

She is absolutely stunning, Cause it makes no sense. She is stunning. I don't give a shit if she's pro she's. She's hot as fuck.

Zach:

Let. I haven't seen her in this film. I remember and I think maybe we may have watched it together, but when she played Wonder Woman, we watched that in theaters. Of course we did. I remember I think I made a comment to you. I was like she's too attractive, I can't look at her. I've gotten used to it now.

Zach:

But, initially some scenes in Wonder Woman, especially whenever it's a 50 foot. So it was the part I've gotten used to it. Now, well, but but initially, like when you, there's some scenes in wonder woman where, especially whenever it's, like you know, 50 foot screen or whatever you're like, she's right there.

Josh:

I remember the part where you said it super hot we were, because we had a moment, like a moment where, just like it's where she's going back with him, yeah, and she has like on the fur, yes, and they're in that boat together and like she's glowing and both of us were just like. I remember you just being like oh fuck I just turned to you, I was like she's hot as fuck.

Josh:

And then where she comes out to the battlefield, she like disrobes and she's like yeah, we were just like. I can't open my eyes, right she is absolutely incredible. I need hot chicks. Are cool man yeah.

Zach:

And so that person that gave a lot of men that reaction yeah, rachel Ziegler ain't doing that. For that many dudes, the mirror is bullshit. I can hear him now. Yeah, exactly, yeah, I don't know, dude, I'm not going to see it.

Zach:

The mirror is gay, yeah.

Zach:

Chicks are.

Zach:

Yeah, like I don't.

Josh:

Yeah, I don't know. I'm not going to see it. I don't give a shit about it. I didn't know if we were going to segue into this, but since we're now on this whole diversity weird thing. So you did hear that they've casted for this new Harry Potter show on HBO.

Zach:

Max, yeah, severus Snape.

Josh:

Is played by a black actor. It's mixed. I got onto the feeds and looked just to see, because people are mean as fuck, People that are saying, oh, it's fun they're lying.

Josh:

They're full of shit. So I'm a big Harry Potter guy. I mean, I have Harry Potter tattoos. I like it. I do not like the casting. I think there was a lot better choices. If you're trying to do it for the fans, I don't know, I don't want. In my mind. As soon as I saw it I was like you only did that to fit that window. It's all reason you did that. You didn't do it because he's good, you just did it. They're doing it on purpose to cause to ruffle feathers.

Josh:

That's, that's I'm. It's like watching siblings fight. I just know. I just think it's dumb there's.

Zach:

I think it's dumb, there's no chance in hell. They like they saw that dude's audition. They were like that's the guy. He wouldn't even made it in the fucking audition room.

Josh:

No, Adam driver directors.

Zach:

You know there's a look that you need to. It's not just how good they can act. Can they read the lines on the page? It's they've got to fit the role If.

Zach:

I'm bringing it to life if you're making this show. It's the same. It's the same reason why casting Robert Downey Jr as Dr Doom is stupid, because I don't. The norm like the normies are going to look at Dr Doom whenever he shows up on screen and they're going to see Robert Downey Jr are going to be like why the fuck is Iron man Dr Doom?

Josh:

We already said that's what they're going to think. I know we already said it whenever. That's all you're going to see.

Zach:

And so when you, when you watch Severus Snape show up as a fucking show, you're going to be like where's Alan Rickman? I mean, he's dead, but RIP. You know what I'm saying. Like everyone's mind is locked into this look of Severus.

Josh:

Snape. That look of Severus Snape. That's what I'm saying. I can't get past it.

Zach:

I'm saying he's not good. Some characters you just can't do that to.

Josh:

Everybody was like get Adam Driver to do it.

Zach:

They already had a guy right, Exactly Adam Driver.

Josh:

If he was never described in the books and if we'd never seen already someone portray him on film, I wouldn't know the fucking difference. But you've already established the character Exactly, but you've already established the character Exactly You've. I mean I don't, you know, I, I don't understand it. I saw it and I was like I don't know, I have no hope for that. I'll watch it to bitch about it, but I have no hope for that show.

Zach:

I mean you know like, and then for who they cast? For Dumbledore, it's Let me pull it up.

Josh:

I got the internet. I don't know why we don't pull stuff up.

Zach:

He was in season four of Dexter John Lithgow.

Josh:

I think it's terrible.

Zach:

Yeah, but it's an old white dude.

Zach:

You know what I'm saying why didn't they cast?

Zach:

Dumbledore like a short fat lesbian.

Josh:

They still might. You know what I'm saying. I don't know, he may end up being a tranny. I have no idea.

Zach:

Why did they pick this one character to stick out like the rest? I'm telling you Like they're doing it on purpose to piss you off.

Josh:

Yes, I just don't understand.

Zach:

It's for attention, yeah, but it's negative attention. I really do think.

Josh:

Exactly right.

Zach:

I that they have to know now. Disney has course corrected post Trump's election, because that is pretty much the turning point to where people, I think, are realizing that the Wokey DEI kind of stuff is tired and everybody's over it. Disney did course correct on some stuff. They have already made some changes, some ongoing projects where they're getting rid of some of the Wokey stuff. But then this is Amazon, right, amazon's doing the Harry Potter show no, HBO.

Josh:

Hbo, that's right. Max is doing it.

Zach:

HBO's doing it. Hbo is owned by fuck. I think it's also owned by Disney. I have no idea, max. I think it is.

Josh:

They kind of yeah, because apparently big streamers combined.

Zach:

Yeah, but I mean, it's a different studio. So it's not like you know Disney. You know, the studios kind of do their own thing. Disney may just own them, but they're not doing it. They can't be doing it, for attention. I'm telling you, they're just so entrenched into it that they don't care who they piss off. They're on a moral mission, that they think that they're so righteous that they can do whatever they want.

Josh:

I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I'm trying to make sure we got information, so I just pulled on IMDb the like the cast for this Harry Potter show.

Zach:

Did they change it?

Josh:

Well, it shows Charles Dance as Albus Dumbledore.

Zach:

Maybe it wasn't John Lithgow.

Josh:

So Charles Dance would be a good Dumbledore. That's Tywin Lannister.

Zach:

What do I think of John Lithgow.

Josh:

So we got. So Lenny Henry is playing Rubeus Hagward, which is another yeah so that's, that's hagrid yeah, that one still that one, not as much I. I still think it's what. Either way, tom hiddleston, did they change all?

Zach:

this maybe is that oh, this is casting ideas. Fuck off. Oh yeah, get the fuck out of here. Yeah, okay, yeah, so I'm pretty sure it's john lithgow was is actually got cast as dumbumbledore. That was the latest.

Josh:

Well, I'm trying to find where it says it, because they had an actual cast set, I thought, and John Lithgow is on there. Well, anyway, either way, I'm sorry, go ahead.

Zach:

The point is is the reason why they're doing this stuff is? I don't think they're doing it for attention. I don't think that they were doing it. They're doing it for attention. They're doing it, uh, for any other reason than that?

Zach:

This is how they think they they, this is, this is they, this is how them and all of them like them, all their friends and everybody in that industry, uh think, and they haven't got the message yet. They haven't got the message yet that people are tired of that kind of stuff and the it's one of those things that I think it's the phrase that the you know, uh, the inmates are running the prison. Uh, the studio execs, I think, are generally afraid of their employees. Yeah Right, and most of them are all unionized, all the writers and everything like that.

Zach:

So if they don't go along with the program, meaning the execs, then they'll be able to revolt and there'll be a, you know, a strike and all this kind of stuff, and then stuff doesn't get made which does hurt the bottom line. And so the execs are trying to play this like middle ground where they kind of appease the mob, meaning their employees, their liberal employees, a little bit more. Yeah, they can't give them everything that they want, but they try to appease them. So they'll give them black, severus Snape so that they won't revolt. I think that's what's going on, because they can't do an immediate switch. The execs get the message. They're like it's about dollars and cents.

Zach:

Right, here we can't keep pissing off, not you know 50 of america at least, because they're not gonna go to our fucking movies. A la snow white is bombing right now, right, yep. So they have to kind of adjust, and so that's the reason why I think I think things are going to get better, but you're gonna have flashes of the stuff like this yeah, it's not going to go away completely.

Josh:

It may be a kick-ass show, I don't know. I'm going to watch it because I want to know. I want to know if the I want to see if it's a train wreck and we'll have to talk about it. So I'll have to watch it.

Zach:

Well, I take that back. I would end up watching Rings of Power, which is so bad. Season two I watched one and two.

Josh:

Still bad. It's bad, but it's a lot. I was entertained more in season two than season one.

Zach:

I think it just makes me hate it more because it did have better moments, but that's it, and so it made me mad because I was like I know you guys can do it yeah, you know what I'm saying so it just made me more mad. Actually, the here's the my favorite part of the whole, uh, season two of rings of power is kella brimbor granny kella brimbor dying. That was my favorite part.

Josh:

Yeah, he got yep yep. He died pretty, pretty brutally. No more insurance sales, exactly he's done right. Thanks a lot great clips.

Zach:

So, uh, now he's gone. I'm like, yay, that's one annoying character down. You know, I'm saying, and actually a lot of the season one characters, a couple of them didn't make it, that didn't make it into season two, and I was happy about that little barmaid chick. She was pointless. I wish her stupid little son would have went with her.

Josh:

Yeah, it's kind of like the acolyte. I loved it when he killed everybody. See, I didn't even watch that, fuck dude. So just I don't want to get on the whole thing because I hate that show. But, like your, bad guy ended up killing all the shitty characters and I was like this is great, keep going. Yeah, I mean, he smoked like six people in 10 minutes. Yeah, it was fantastic. I was like this is this is my, this is it.

Josh:

This is him getting rid of the trash yeah he didn't kill the all the ones I wanted, but, fuck, he annihilated a lot of the problem. Yep, yeah, so it was. Yeah, that movie got, that show got canceled. Yeah, one season and then the end of season one, they tried to like give you this foreshadow of darth plagues.

Zach:

Like you to see his face oh yeah, you're like, yeah, no, canceled a month later.

Josh:

Yeah, it's terrible review do the rate bombed?

Zach:

I don't think, I don't think of it and actually, uh, good, well, I'll wait till she actually, like uh, you know, exits the parking lot for the last time, but Kathleen Kennedy is out as the head of Lucasfilm, who knows?

Josh:

I heard a rumor that she was sticking around until they hired somebody.

Zach:

Apparently yeah, apparently. She has talked about retirement for several years now. She sucks and she keeps coming back. So you know, I've seen some videos of people basically breaking down, where Steven Spielberg and George Lucas actually actually hate her fucking guts. Yeah, because in what sucks? But she had so much power within the like the writer, the writer's room that they kind of couldn't get rid of her.

Josh:

Why, don't know, when she lost her way. She's been with Lucas for a long. I mean in the beginning.

Zach:

I'm telling you I should show this video. They she's been with Lucas for a long time. I mean in the beginning I'm telling you I should show this video. They show she just lost her fucking mind. They make a compelling. I'll have to share you this video. They make a compelling argument that, even though she's been with them for a long time, they never liked her. Was she the snake in the grass? Yeah, especially Spielberg.

Zach:

Spielberg fucking hated her guts. I like Spielberg. Spielberg fucking hated her guts. I like old.

Zach:

Spielberg. But anyway she's fucking out, thank god and so. But I don't think I've ever seen, I don't think anybody in the history of franchises has destroyed a franchise quite like Kathleen Kennedy has done to Star Wars.

Josh:

I would agree with that.

Zach:

It's kind of impressive. I would second that, yeah, she has. I'll be honest, outside of Andor, which I do, I do like I really like andor. So I'm excited for season two, uh, because it it really does focus on the the core trilogy, right, it's pre. Uh, episode four, right, um, it's the lead up on how the rebellion got started. Like that's interesting, that's good. That's like the same reason why we like um rogue one. It's right. It expands the trilogy that we love just a little bit more but not so jedi seth right exactly kind of.

Zach:

That's what I like about andor. Yes, it expands that what we already know and love the original trilogy just a little bit more. That's what I like about it. The same thing for um well, bandalorian, it's post correct. Original trilogy and expands it just a little bit more, and that's what I like about it. If you're not going to do that uh is touch around the original trilogy, then get the fuck out. You need to go do something you know. Knights of the.

Zach:

Old.

Zach:

Republic or you need to go far flung into the future. Like, stop playing this, these Not playing this. Like the Acklight terrible fucking idea. Yep Book of Boba Fett terrible. Like name the show. Very few Star Wars shows have been good and or has been a good one. Did you like Ahsoka? Ahsoka was okay. Okay, I do think it's up there. There's potential. But yes, it does have potential. It's a little. The Force Switch thing is a little. I mean, I know it's kind of canon now, but I get it.

Josh:

It was better as an animation.

Zach:

I think it's better than the animation I don't think everything in Clone Wars translates to live action, I agree, but that's also good, because Filoni is basically George Lucas' little nephew.

Josh:

But now the argument on the fans is Not really it's an argument, it's kind of a discussion. Is who gets it? Jon Favreau or, um, david filoni? Some people want john favreau because david filoni is so good with the animation and the other and he's a true, but I would take either one I think favreau, we'll see if, if filoni is is is head of lucasfilm he probably wouldn't be then he's not on the ground, he's doing exec shit, and that's what people are afraid of. It should be Favreau, I agree.

Zach:

But he probably won't.

Josh:

That's what people are afraid of.

Zach:

I almost I don't know who's actually in the running. If I was going to, I don't know who's, only because she's directed, something Bryce Howard is not terrible, but she does like to do the. I think she dabbles. She does dabble in the girl boss kind of first female kind of crap. And if.

Josh:

I was in that position, I might too. I can't say I wouldn't. Yeah, I don't know if I would or not.

Zach:

I probably would Maybe, I don't know.

Josh:

There's only that you can break before. There's just fucking broken glass everywhere. You know what I'm saying, but we'll see. Like that was the big thing when she was leaving and I was like me and another guy on instagram that uh follows our pop was discussing it. He made a post and I was like dude, I'm so glad to see her leave. Maybe we'll get something out of this that will be worthwhile. Maybe we'll get a break on the bullshit, yeah, and get some really good stuff. I think it's I.

Zach:

I think it's going to be good stuff. On the horizon Again, there's going to be flashes of the woke past where someone just can't let it go, but I think it's going to generally be better, because these execs are tired of losing money. These studios can't keep losing money.

Josh:

Do you think that Mandalorian Grogu movie will be any good? I think it's going to be shit. I would good. I think it's going to be shit. I would say I think it's going to be shit.

Zach:

I'll say this I think Mandalorian ran its course. I do too, already. I think it actually ran its course. I think season two, I think whenever, the season where it ended with Luke.

Josh:

I think it should have been stopped there. I think that's when Mandalorian ran out. I think it kind of lost it's fuel a bit.

Zach:

Yeah, I think that's when it ran out, and they've just been kind of just milking it ever since.

Josh:

That's kind of what I agree with you as soon as he started taking his helmet off. And then they the Boba Fett thing. We've talked about it. It's fucking trash. We'll see, I don't know. I think that I think that's really the big thing. Well, they've Ahsoka will have another season, I'm sure, and then we'll get that Grogu Mandalorian movie. And then after that there's still talks of them bringing Daisy in to do her fucking character.

Zach:

I'm not for that at all. Rey Skywalker, I don't care.

Josh:

Okay, I don't care anymore. I don't care about her. No, I just don't Sorry.

Zach:

I want to forget that whole trilogy.

Josh:

It was cool because she was attractive and it was, you know, new. It's like pizza, I mean, even when it sucks it's still pretty good, but like I'm done with that, I don't. I don't care about that anymore. Yeah, like you said, this ever happened.

Zach:

Knights of old republic, take it back or weigh the fuck away from all this. I don't want to hear anything about this. Yeah, move on right. Yep, exactly, um, you know. Or if you know what they should have done with the original trilogy? Um, or if they, you know this, uh, the latest trilogy? Um, they should have just recasted everybody and just continued on from three.

Josh:

Yes.

Zach:

Um, uh, continued, continued on from um, um, return of the Jedi, or you know, 20 years later or something like that. Uh, which they kind of did. They did you know 20, 30 years, how, what is it? And they just kept all the same actors, but then they killed them all off, and that was the part that was dumb To me. I don't think they needed it. It's like every single, like Luke, leia, han all got killed off. Well, leia didn't, but almost did. Yeah, she anyway. Yeah, that whole thing.

Josh:

You know what I'm saying?

Zach:

It's just like they were. Just that was the part that bothered me and they weren't the focus. That and they weren't the focus. That was the thing that was crazy about it is they weren't the focus, they were cameo, they were side characters, they were like backseat driving. It was so stupid, like how are you going to bring back the original actors playing the original big three and even Chewbacca. And they were background characters. Well, and they were boring. And they were boring, they did nothing, yeah.

Zach:

I I mean, they all now have re-talked about even Mark Hamill's Mark Hamill and said it was shit he's a big time Wokey and he says a bunch of bullshit on Twitter or whatever, or an ex, but when he starts talking about the latest trilogy, he lets it fly. He does.

Josh:

I'm all about it. I do too, because it's true and he can say it. I'm not going to argue with him. He was there 100%. He says it was shit 100%.

Zach:

So I don't know. I'm just not interested Because of what Kathleen Kennedy does, and I think that a lot of people have this sense is like I don't want any more Star Wars right now. I don't either. I like Andorra. I want to see where that goes. I'm spent.

Josh:

Same with Marvel. I'm tapped out, Dude. I'm done with both of them.

Zach:

They kept fucking him up too much to where I just want you to just not touch it for a while.

Josh:

I think both should take a long break.

Zach:

Yes.

Josh:

I like quality over quantity. Yeah, just relax and give us some good stuff. Yeah, because I don't. Even, besides, that Kraven shit movie I watched the other day like I haven't watched anything. Marvel, I don't want, I haven't watched anything marvel, I don't. Oh, yeah, I mean, I watched that one because it came on to netflix and I like aaron, uh, johnson, I like him, um, but that movie's shit too. Yeah but it got great audiences loved it, but I'm like no yeah, but I mean it bombed.

Josh:

I mean audience didn't love it enough to apparently go see it blown up on netflix oh sure, but I'm like'm like.

Zach:

It came out to Netflix. I think there were still some theaters still fucking showing it. You know what I'm saying? How fast it came out. I don't know that's how you know it's bad.

Josh:

I only just got. Well, it just came out. Last couple weeks it just hit.

Zach:

That's what I'm saying.

Josh:

Yeah, I guess I didn't realize that.

Zach:

No, it was very fast.

Zach:

It's not good, no it's not as bad as Morbius, but it's bad. Yeah, morbius was also bad. I would say. The only people that should be able to handle Marvel movies going forward is Marvel Studios, but they ain't done a great job either as of late. So you know, where are we going to get that fix? Maybe that is also one of the ones that we should just not have as much of. We've overexposed on superhero movies. It's used up. This isn't like a hot take I'm sure everyone's talked about this kind of thing but maybe just do one one a year just give us just keep stringing us along, but don't.

Zach:

But you're not going to be able to recapture the in-game magic.

Josh:

Is there any shows you're looking forward to that aren't in that genre?

Zach:

Well, so this is something we could talk about, because we teased it already Severance.

Josh:

So I got you on to Severance you got caught up really quick.

Zach:

Yep, I watched season one and I had to wait. I didn't have to wait as long as everybody. It was three years between season one and season two. I didn't know that. Yeah, it was a very long hiatus between seasons, but I didn't watch it when it first came out on season one when it first came out. But I caught up, I don't know, last summer, and so I still had to wait a little bit. Fantastic show, it is fantastic. The finale. I kind of had an idea. I had a feeling Spoiler, if you haven't seen it, I was pissed. I had a feeling that he was going to do that.

Zach:

I pissed me off as soon as she went through the door.

Zach:

First I docked at two that. I pissed me off that at the very end. That's why I gave it in.

Josh:

As soon as she went through the door first, I docked it two points because he pissed me off. Yeah, it was a 10 out of 10 episode. That's the reason I liked it, because I was just like I was.

Zach:

I was. I don't think I blinked for like the last two minutes of the of that scene.

Josh:

I was locked in the elevator scene up.

Zach:

Yes, I was locked in. I was locked in that shit when he completely locked in.

Josh:

Yes, I laughed so hard with that poor guy when he twitched. When he transitioned from his inning to his outing in the elevator. That poor guy.

Zach:

And he twitched and the fucking shot that bolt into his neck. I was like, oh my God, I'm sorry.

Zach:

Exactly.

Zach:

The only people that are going to what the fuck we're talking about is if you've seen it. Sorry, if you haven't seen it, go watch it. Severance is. This particular segment is not for you if you haven't seen it.

Josh:

Someone asked me if they should watch it. I told them I was like dude, it's a slow burn, it's a slow burn. I took episode two for me to get hooked, because there's that mystery Plus. I work in an office setting. So immediately I was like, yeah, I would get this surgery tomorrow. Yes, Like I still 100 percent, 100 percent, I would get it. But then you know, it opens up all these questions about.

Zach:

you know philosophical questions about like you know identity, like who are you really Like? Are they there Any, are they there?

Zach:

Is it just?

Zach:

because, just because the Audi, you know essentially quote, created the any, is the any more Mark than you know what I'm saying?

Zach:

Who's your?

Josh:

true self. Who's your true self?

Zach:

Is it just because and they even kind of say this I think the best scene of that season or that episode was when they were going back and forth recording themselves and he was having a conversation with his Audi.

Josh:

You talking about the last yes, great acting.

Zach:

Yes, I loved that because you really got to see they are two different people, but they also have kind of the same I don't know almost kind of the same moral sense.

Zach:

Yes.

Zach:

They're kind of the same person deep down. It's weird, but because of their environment they have a little bit different. And one of the things that uh the any says mark s says to the audi um he's like why would you have more right? Like, if we do this reintegration thing, like you've been alive for you know however many 30 something years and uh, I'm at two years I'm at two years, like it's going to be more you than me.

Josh:

Exactly right.

Zach:

And he was basically making the argument is like you know, why should you? Why do you think you have more right to this body or is your identity more valid just because you've got more years on it? I've only been alive for two years and it was making a very good you know argument that about, about you know, the value of, of, of people is not necessarily dependent on how long you've been on the earth or whatever. Yes, it's interesting, very interesting arguments very, I like to take. It's not woke at all, I have not.

Josh:

I have not once detected anything.

Zach:

I take that back back up. I would say it's not woke. Because this isn't woke and it's crazy that that the the state of things to where you know. I remember once upon a time, uh, you know, 10 years ago, that if you saw like a dude on dude, like kissing, you've been like oh the fuck, it's jarring in a, in a you know, a um in something that was for the masses, sure You'd have to go elsewhere. It was always something that was either funny or it was you'd see it, and it was intentionally jarring.

Zach:

Kind of weird stigma Right, but now it's just kind of running the mill, and so that's what. I'm saying there is that the thing with John Turturro's character and Christopher Walken.

Josh:

I'm sorry.

Zach:

It's just weird. It is weird, but it didn't bother me. It's weird seeing Christopher.

Zach:

Walken and John Turturro about to bang.

Josh:

It's so fucking weird. It's weird, but it didn't bother me enough.

Zach:

No, it didn't, it actually was fine it felt to the story.

Josh:

Yeah, I was fine with it. It wasn't like they said what the fuck does that do with the story? Yes, this played into the story.

Zach:

So here's the here's the reason why I say that, that, that, that, that, that wasn't woke at all. I just the reason why it triggered me. Or I because it was because it there's something like this used to be strange, correct, um, but it's not anymore. Um, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna recall a, a scene, actually an entire episode, uh, of the last of us and I have not watched all of that.

Zach:

Okay, so there's a there's a there's an episode in the last of us where it had um damn, I can't think of his name. It's ron swanson. Oh, I've seen that you know nick offerman. Nick, I saw that whole episode and whoever the other guy was uh, he was in we talked about that on the white lotus but um yeah and I didn't.

Zach:

I don't need to see Nick Offerman and some other dude like fuck. I don't need to see that it was unnecessary, correct and they do. They do stuff like that intentionally to provoke people.

Josh:

Didn't it funny how we talked about that. We were like the envelope or whatever.

Zach:

In whatever they did. That's what I liked about the way they did with john turow and I didn't need to see john turow and christopher walken.

Josh:

Take advantage of that, yeah correct.

Zach:

Okay, I don't need to see that to understand what's happening with their story yeah right, I didn't, I don't.

Zach:

You know, that's how you do it. That's how you do it. You ease people into. If you've got a point to make movie makers and show makers you've got a point to make. Don't slap people across the face with it is all I'm asking. If you got a point to make and you want to get people used to it and I may disagree with it, I may agree with it. Whatever it doesn't. That's not the point. The point is the tactic ease people into it.

Josh:

I don't fucking slap them across the face yeah, that's why it didn't bother me. It has to make sense of the story.

Zach:

It's the reason why Gen Z is basically against like full frontal, like gratuitous nudity and and and sex scenes and movies is because they value off the authenticity more than past generations is, that they want it to it to feel authentic. And whenever you have a blatantly obvious scene where he's just to show the actress's tits, which I appreciate, yeah, but I think, but at the same time, if it's all that movie is, it does take you out of it and you're just like, well, this seems unnecessary.

Josh:

It's funny you say that I was about to ask you if you feel like there's too much now in movies.

Zach:

I think at one point there was.

Josh:

Yeah. I think, sometimes it was. I was like sometimes I would fast forward through stuff Because it wasn't. I don't need to see this, it's not a part of the story. I want to get back to the story. I don't need to see this. There are shows that I know it's going to have it in it and that's fine.

Zach:

Yes, Well, you didn't get to see full frontal, but but we were just talking about that show with Megan Fox in it. That movie, yeah, that's legit. The only reason why anybody watched that fucking movie.

Josh:

I told my friends Just to see how hot she is. I told my friends to watch it, just so you could see that part.

Zach:

It's actually a bad movie.

Josh:

It's a terrible movie, but she's stunning.

Zach:

And it's obvious that what's happening in this movie and during that scene, during the sex scene, completely takes you out of this. It was unnecessary, but that's the only reason why that movie exists is to see Megan Fox like fuck a dude.

Josh:

That's 100% correct.

Zach:

You know what I'm saying. I think that I'm fine with the nudity, obviously, but it has to fit, just like everything else in the movie.

Josh:

It has to fit within the movie but getting back to severance within the show, like you said it best, though, like that was it. That's the only thing that I saw, like you saw that was. Otherwise you could call that woke.

Zach:

I wouldn't say that I don't think it's woke, but I could not find a woke thing in here. Uh, in fact, they kind of poked at it a little bit. There was this past season. There was a scene where, uh, mr milchick, which I love that character, he's great, I love he is great, and if he's uber bullshit, yes, makes me laugh so hard because I know people like that.

Zach:

Yes, so it cracks me up so good and he has like a very deep and extensive vocabulary and he's very he's kind of uppity or whatever, but it's played by a. It's a african american guy and he can tell whenever he he still has, uh, when he dances and he lets loose a little bit, you can see he's kind of more of a normal person he's not as well, he's not, yeah, you know I'm saying he kind of when he lets loose a little bit or when he gets angry, that's whenever you see like okay, he's not, he's less robotic, he's a little bit more of a normal person.

Josh:

He doesn't have some emotions.

Zach:

He's one of my favorite characters, no, but whenever he's like in boss mode, he is like a robot and it's fascinating. I love that character so much. But, um, there was a scene where, uh, he was being um congratulated for something or whatever I don't think it was his birthday, or maybe it was like after his evaluation or whatever it was and they, the, you know, the board, the mysterious board. Oh yeah, the speaker um, which is just like a little speaker on a desk and that's all you and you don't even get to hear their voice.

Zach:

They're always speaking through, uh, the secretary, the little secretary chick so weird um, right, I love it, it's.

Josh:

Uh, they gave him a gift and it was like all these portraits if here was black, you could tell it pissed him off, it pissed him off.

Zach:

And so that scene right there it was like they're actually kind of making fun of them trying to like woke-ify and blackwash characters. Right, Because this Keir character is supposed to be like. Obviously there's a cult element, that's going on with the show. There's a cult thing happening and kira is like the cult leader and he's you know, he's kind of exalted to this, like almost demigod status or whatever, and their gift is to like well, what if our demigod, our cult leader, was black and looked kind of like you?

Josh:

like they're kind of making fun of that on him a little bit. It was the whole thing like they were trying to make him more comfortable. Yeah, it was just like we want you to see, want to, we thought we you would like to see yourself in care or whatever I love that character so I didn't know it, but I was to a podcast where they interviewed that actor and the part where they celebrate when they have, like she has, like the maracas, and they're like this. Love that scene that was not scripted.

Zach:

He improvised the whole thing.

Josh:

He said he pushed the button and the lights came on. And there was no. They just all went with the flow. They didn't know what was going to happen.

Josh:

They call it the milkshake shake, that's what he called it. So I thought that whole thing was great. It's a lot more organic and I love that scene. You said you kind of and the show does that you don't know what to think of really anyone. You don't know who's. You know, you have your innies, but your, your management staff, you don't know if they're in, out, and the dude comes in all of a sudden he like cuts loose and you're like what the fuck is he like? Does he have more privileges than the other people? Like what's going on here and it's it's so unsettling and uncomfortable at times, but then you're just I have to know more, I have to know what's happening here.

Zach:

You know what I'm saying you? You have a recent binge of this show is lost. And someone someone, someone said this uh, that I can remember where I heard this. But uh, they said this this is is just like loss was, except they actually give you answers. Yeah, so there's, you actually do get answers at the end of the season.

Josh:

Yeah, you and I still have. I still have questions. They do leave some and I'm just like I still don't know what's going on like like whenever they well, this season two started.

Zach:

One of the things that they said early on is like uh, why are you a kid they were talking to? Like the little oh and they're like why are you a kid? Because they it's the first time they've seen a kid working there, you know what.

Zach:

I'm saying so, but but then, as the season progresses, you see that cobel was part of the cult as a child. Yes, right, and so they had these kind of um, like schools like these, like, uh, children's programs or whatever, that they would get into and and they would become good little you know Keir followers or whatever. And that's what she was. She was because, you saw, at the end Milchak gave her like a you know a medal or whatever. It was a patch or some shit so weird, and then she had to like smash her little game. It was like a ritual. And because she was part of the, you know, the youths of Keir or whatever.

Josh:

It was very.

Zach:

Ben Still is a genius. So I will tell you, I'll bet you money right now that and there's already a lot of parallels but I'll bet you that Ben Stiller, without saying it, is basically making fun of Scientology.

Josh:

He's commenting on Scientology. It's funny. You say that I was just telling Leander at work. I was like, because he watches it too, we went back, and that I was just telling Leander at work. I was like, because he watches it too, we went back and forth and I was like that dude the Keir is straight up the leader of Scientology. It's L Ron Hubbard. This is exactly how I feel when I see this that's what I get, and I don't know if he's making lot of actors.

Zach:

There's a lot of Hollywood people that are in Scientology, I think.

Josh:

Ben Stiller keys in on it, it's so outlandish. These people are believing this person the way it all. It's almost. What do you call it fiction? The whole thing is like a science, it's wild.

Zach:

It's also got some comedic elements, because it is ben stiller and I'm I. I really do think that he is basically slapping hollywood across the face a little bit. Yeah, with this show he did. He did the same thing with tropic thunder. It was a basically a movie about making a movie, and they casted robert downey jr as a black guy, which is one of his best performances ever. The only acceptable blackface that was ever put to film.

Josh:

I go back and watch clips and I was like he is one of. That is the best. But I mean, they asked him. He was on Joe Rogan and they asked him about it. Robert, this was a long. He was like they called or Ben called him. He was like do you want to play like you know? A black, yes, yes.

Zach:

And then he, he cast um. And then he had uh Tom Cruise play like this sleazy nasty, uh Harvey Weinstein like studio and he crushed it, and crushed it Right. Ben Stiller knows what he's doing. He likes to smack around his ears.

Josh:

Yeah, it is a great movie, that is.

Zach:

So I love that show. I think it is I legit think it is probably the best show on TV in quite a while.

Josh:

It's really relatable, even, especially with the working force. People Like it's the idea of that, it's not AI. No, the idea of this is I was just like this is what a concept, it's 100%. And then Adam Scott is like this is what a concept, it's 100%. And then Adam Scott is so good in it. Oh yeah, he is so good in it. I'd have to agree. It's one of the best shows I've seen in a long time.

Josh:

It is very good. It's really addictive. It's really good. It's wild and just 10 out of 10, I recommend anyone checking it out.

Zach:

Yeah, even, yeah, 100%, even though we spoiled the shit out of it, definitely go watch it.

Josh:

Definitely go watch it. We did kind of spoil it.

Zach:

There's a lot of stuff that we didn't spoil, that we didn't touch on.

Josh:

Even if someone had told me all that, I still would. There's still stuff we haven't even touched on.

Zach:

Oh yeah.

Josh:

It's really expansive.

Zach:

I'm curious to see how they. I'm obsessed with this show.

Josh:

There's big stuff in the pipe this year. You've got the end of Stranger Things towards Christmas, their final season finally.

Zach:

I'm ready for it to be over.

Josh:

I am too. I'm excited to see it Ready to get to the end the new Alien series that Hulu's doing I'm excited about that, that that Hulu's doing that one.

Zach:

I'm excited about that. That one is going to be interesting. Alien Earth I'm curious to see how that's going to go.

Josh:

I think it's going to be rad. And then there's the next Predator movie is going to be for the first time.

Zach:

Prey 2.

Josh:

That's coming too, but it's going to be told from the Predator's perspective which I was like I'm fucking, I'm here, I'm in 100%. Any of those are good.

Zach:

I'm stoked for Andor Season 2 coming out.

Josh:

I watched the trailer.

Zach:

I think it looks great. I think it's got the biggest budget of any Disney show so far.

Zach:

That's cool In Andor Season 2.

Zach:

Just let it translate into being good. It looks like the Galactic Civil War is going to fully break out in Andor. Season 2 is what it looks like, so I'm excited about that. Okay, I don't know, I haven't watched. The latest episode Comes out on Tuesdays, but Daredevil Born Again. I haven't watched any of it. It's boring as fuck.

Zach:

I've heard he's been he was in the it's been. I've watched three episodes. I think there's a, there's a, there's a fourth I haven't seen yet which I think I'm supposed to tease Punisher, and this one, I think Return of Jon Bernthal. But three episodes, three episodes he was in the suit a total of like two minutes in the first episode. I don't really give a shit about Daredevil, it's so boring.

Josh:

I don't care, I was stoked for it.

Zach:

I was like, okay, look it, looks like they're bringing it back. It's going to be kind of dark Gritty Brought all the same. The original cast back Vincent D'Onofrio as Kingpin. He hams up the screen so much. The way he talks, it's so ham-fisted. I don't like him. I don't like him straight up period, end of story. I don't like that character. I don't like Vincent and Alfred. I don't like the way he plays it.

Josh:

I like him as Edgar the Bug.

Zach:

I like him as Edgar the Bug in Men in Black. That's it. That's the only thing I've ever liked about him.

Zach:

It's terrible. It's so boring. They're trying to make it dark. I don't know. They're also trying to have a message and make some comments. I don't know. I don't know where they're going with it. It needs to pick the fuck up, because I'm bored.

Josh:

I'm not watching it. I know you told me to check it out. I think you should probably pass.

Zach:

I don't think I'm going to watch it. You watch Acolyte and I didn't, so I'll watch this and you don't have to.

Josh:

I'm not that bored.

Zach:

So I'll watch the season four or episode four and see if it's any better. But I kind of read something to where basically they said the same thing. They said besides the little tease for Punisher, and then something else. It's basically boring. Like the show is so boring, yeah, I'm good. So Disney Marvel you suck, I'm done with you. I didn't watch Echo at all. Oh, I didn't watch it either. Didn't watch that one. The only thing that I enjoyed, legit, legit the only thing that I actually enjoyed was Loki.

Josh:

That was the last one.

Zach:

So I'm over it. I'm going to kind of just have it in the background maybe, or I won't watch it entirely, like Echo, right. Same thing goes for Star Wars properties. I didn't watch Acolyte. It's not good. It does not earn my attention. With Kathleen Kennedy gone, we'll see, maybe it'll be better, but I'm going to reserve judgment until all the facts come out. You know what I'm saying. It's actually kind of nice to get away from those big franchise things like star Wars and Marvel and kind of get into some other.

Josh:

I've been watching. I've been watching older movies lately like not old but like I went back and watched the men in black movie a couple weeks ago.

Zach:

Okay, he was talking about some early two thousands.

Josh:

I watched those again. Which they're the? They're awesome movies.

Zach:

I don't care what anybody says, even the third one.

Josh:

Especially the first one, even the third one. I went back and watched Wild Wild West.

Zach:

Oh, mine was Wild too.

Josh:

I didn't realize how bad that movie did. Oh yeah, it was garbage. Same director as Men in Black. I fucking love that movie. I don't care what anybody says, I love that movie.

Zach:

What was the movie that Will Smith turned down to do? Wild Wild West? The Matrix? The Matrix, that's right. He was going to be Neo. He turned it down and he was like, nah, I'm going to do Wild Wild West. He thought Wild Wild West was going to be bigger.

Josh:

Well, so let me look and see what it was. That's what he thought too, but it kind of helped, though, because it took him into Men in Black.

Zach:

And that did, true, but I mean, that's, that's how Will Smith always kind of approached projects is. Is box office he? He wanted to be in the biggest thing. Okay, so until as of late, when he started kind of doing his own thing.

Josh:

So men in black came first. That was 97. That's what I'm saying. I think it was 99.

Zach:

I thought so Well, yeah, but I mean what? Three years, 97, 99, two years apart? I would say, sometimes they may not release, they may have shot, or he agreed to do something before they. You know, the timing of it may have been different.

Josh:

Oh, he did turn down the role of Neo to play in Wild West Wow, big mistake. I'm glad he did, though, because Keanu Reeves is the man. Oh, yeah, 100%. I don't think it would have been the same. I don't think it would have been the same. I don't think so. I like Will Smith. Yeah, I would have, but maybe not as late. Yeah, but.

Zach:

I, uh, I'm okay with that. I even at the time I don't think we could, I don't think Will Smith had done anything serious, so I think he would have what the role calls for. It called for Keanu Reeves. He played it pretty well, it called for him.

Josh:

Yeah 100%. Yeah, I went back and watched that. I don't know why everybody hates it so much. I love that movie. I think it's fun. It's fun, it's quick. It's got hot women in it. It's got good acting. It's fun. Dude, will Smith's cool as fuck.

Zach:

I love Kenneth Branagh in the wheelchair.

Josh:

he's the villain Dude when they go back and forth like their racial slurs and shit, it is the best. Yeah, dude, he's like I got to stand up.

Zach:

Yeah right.

Josh:

And he's in that little. Of course it's so outlandish because he would never survive like that.

Zach:

No.

Josh:

I mean it's so wild and he's got like this little like steam, but he plays it so well Steam-powered wheelchair he plays it so well and they have all these little like. He makes all these pervy remarks. These women, and they, just like, are enthralled with him.

Zach:

It's great, it's awesome. Oh yeah, Um, yeah, I do. I do like that. That's a fun little. It's like you can make these movies that are like that, that you know, like the electric state, I'm never going to watch that again.

Josh:

No, no, you're not. Well, I mean, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why? Stuff just get lost and it's like just do something fun, yeah, and even if it was especially now, which you don't have to go to theaters anymore, no, put it straight to streaming.

Zach:

And even if it was ridiculous like, yeah, some of the things that were happening, like this whole steam powered thing, was so funny, ridiculous. Everything that kind of happened in that movie kind of I don't know made sense.

Josh:

It made, yeah, like within the within that universe, it in that universe there was nothing that was like what, like it was all, and that they explained there was nothing that was like what they explained how everything worked.

Zach:

It was pretty straightforward, pretty simple. Obviously an 80-foot metal tarantula was a bit fetched, but it was cool.

Josh:

I liked that movie a lot.

Zach:

And then I do like. What was his name? Kevin Kline? He played, also the president.

Josh:

He played president grant too. Yes, he did. Yeah, it was. Then he made fun of himself.

Zach:

It was great dude. It was good, though he's like Q or whatever.

Josh:

He would have been making all these gadgets and stuff.

Zach:

Will, that's how we say hello. You know how's your mama.

Josh:

How's your mama? How's your mama?

Zach:

smacking her teeth. Yeah, that's funny. Um, it's good. Yeah, that's. That's a good little uh throwback. I enjoyed that one too.

Josh:

Yeah, but I typically I've been going back and just grabbing some flicks just for filler in between shows and stuff just like, or if I don't have that.

Zach:

I don't, I don't.

Josh:

I will say anything during the day 90, stuff like nineties, even the stuff we watch as kids like they say some shit that you could never say anymore, and it blows my mind that we have like, just like.

Josh:

Oh, my God like this dude in the movie called his brothers retarded and I'm like, yes, can't say that anymore. Well, yes, can't say that anymore. Well, that word's back. You can definitely say it again. You can say it now we're allowed to. Yeah, I need to go back. There was one that there's another show I want to go back and watch. Oh fuck, it's on Apple TV. Have you seen Sea With?

Zach:

Jason Momoa. No, but I kept seeing. I see clips about it. I don't know, but I kept seeing. I see clips about it lately for some reason. It's like the algorithms want me to watch this show for some reason and people are saying it's like don't sleep on it.

Josh:

I don't know. I asked a buddy of mine at work about it. He was like I don't know, because they're blind. I said, well, you guys, someone gets blind people. He was like I just. I said, well, it's just not relatable. Right, I get it. I think he was just weirded out because they're all blind. He's like I just can't get into it.

Zach:

It is weird.

Josh:

I mean it is weird. Well, I asked him if he ever seen like blind fury, that uh comedy film where that guy comes back from Vietnam and he's like a samurai. You never seen the movie? No, I think it's do.

Zach:

Yeah, I watch a lot of stupid shit. No, um, I've probably seen way more uh anime than you.

Josh:

Oh yeah, a hundred percent yeah. Blind fear was from 1990s action comedy. Okay, god comes back from Vietnam and he has like heightened senses and he carries a cane. That's a samurai sword.

Zach:

Okay, yeah, that's good dude, take two things that don't match and smash them together and make a movie about it blind people and samurai and they're like, boom, now we got a movie. It's like they just took a bunch of random words and jumbled them up like yahtzee and dumped them out on the table and it's like, oh, and they, there's, there's a movie right there. Those two things that don't match at all.

Josh:

That was very big in the 90s but it works, but it worked, it's just so, as long as it's entertaining, i'm'm like all right, yeah, somebody we mentioned you remember Warriors of Virtue?

Zach:

Oh, yeah, a little kangaroo looking fucking dude.

Josh:

It's one of those things too, where it's like some crippled kid ends up going down a water chute and sprouts out with giant kangaroos that do kung fu, yep so.

Zach:

What was the things that, one of the other things you want to talk about? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, let's talk. What were we going to talk about? It was uh the C, uh, something about uh sequels. Oh yeah, worse, worse sequels, worse sequels.

Zach:

Yeah.

Zach:

What do you think is the, uh the word? You want to do that one or you do something else.

Josh:

I'd say probably the worst sequel. Okay, we'll do this one okay, the one to Pacific Rim.

Zach:

Oh yeah, that's a good one trash yeah, uprising was terrible, terrible movie and such a missed opportunity like I mean the first one was was kind of, you know, had a style that was kind of corny, it's because it was Guillermo and he didn't do the second one right, the dialogue was definitely, and Charlie Hunnam can't act out of a fucking paper bag.

Josh:

Yeah, but he was better, but he's not in the second one.

Zach:

But he's not in the second one, but it somehow like the second one was so much worse.

Josh:

Don Boyega was terrible in it, yeah. And then you had I can't stand Scott Eastwood. Yeah, he also can't. I cannot stand that character.

Zach:

He has no emotion in his acting at all. He emotion in his acting at all. He he's a stiff piece of wood um, and and also it violates also one of my bugaboos, it's kids.

Josh:

Saving the day with kids saving.

Zach:

I don't know why it drives me nuts. Well, they deviated from the story.

Josh:

So much.

Zach:

It'd have been fine if they were like, you know, teenagers attitude. Because I love power rangers, right, because those are basically like adults, yeah, but like physically they're adults, yeah. At that point you know I'm saying they, they're not, they don't have much more to grow. They may be a little immature and brash. Well, they have attitude but yeah, but you know late teenagers, you know 17, 18, 19 year olds there can be in peak physical condition, so it makes sense for them to save the world. You know what?

Zach:

I'm saying um, not someone who's fucking 12. That's stupid. Yep, but I digress, I'm not going to go down that road, calm down.

Josh:

You hate kids, all right.

Zach:

I hate children.

Josh:

I tried to actually we tried to watch it was last night. I turned on the first episode of Power Rangers from the 90s.

Zach:

Episode one the whole season pops out of the fucking moon trash, can I put it?

Josh:

I put it on, uh, harper was not interested in it, she thought it was stupid. I was fucking psyched. And then I got to looking and I'm like this looks really bad. It is bad. It's terrible, but it's, but they go to the gym and the kid like there's like a karate class in this like there's like I didn't know that. Billy didn't have any karate skills. No, he was just like a little nerd. He was just taking his first class the day he becomes a ranger?

Zach:

Yep, but somehow, being a power ranger, you have the ability.

Josh:

Which kind of pisses me off because everyone else is trained. So I'm like well, this dipshit with the glasses because he's good with technology, yep, that kind of pissed me off a little more than it did then.

Zach:

It bothers me now.

Josh:

He was gay. That kind of pissed me off a little more than it did then. Uh, it bothers me as gay as well.

Zach:

Yeah, but he wasn't. I don't know he was. He wasn't gay, to my knowledge. Then, uh, yeah, um, actually I saw something. Did you know that the? Uh, I think it was, I think they. It was just season one, maybe, or maybe the first episode, I can't quite remember, but uh, the scenes where they're power rangers, um, was repurposed footage from the Japanese, that's correct.

Josh:

And they dubbed over.

Zach:

They dubbed over their voices yes, so it wasn't even created for the.

Josh:

American audience. Rita's mouth doesn't match.

Zach:

Rita doesn't match.

Josh:

It's awful, and that's the reason why yeah exactly, it's a great show, but I never noticed it when I was a kid.

Zach:

And that's the reason she looked Asian, like it never made any sense. I was like you could totally see it.

Josh:

Even the screen you get some the transitioning doesn't look great. You're like this is fucked up Something's wrong. They pieced it together. Goldar's mouth doesn't match All her little minions, don't match Yep, and even the astronauts that discovered her were Japanese.

Zach:

Yeah, the whole suit was Asian. Anything that wasn't in Angel Grove was from the Japanese show. And they just shot scenes in Angel Grove with American teenagers, and that was it.

Josh:

Zordon in this tube. I didn't realize it. He looks terrible. He's like 360i, like it's the worst. Can't see his mouth and the whole. I was like dude, we were so into this and it's bad?

Zach:

Yeah, exactly, and he was just an old dude in a muumuu and some crystals.

Josh:

Well, you found out. Yeah, Later on it was some creepy pedophile Like and he was in a onesie, couldn't move his arms Right Inside of this intergalactic tube, yeah that. But I told we were sitting there. I was like Kimberly was hot.

Zach:

And then my first crush.

Josh:

Yeah Well, everybody's first crush.

Zach:

I think a lot of people I I see I didn't really watch a boy meets world. I did Topanga, so I didn't. I didn't get on the Topanga train. Um, I was all into uh Kimberly, so that was my first crush. I didn't really Topanga.

Josh:

Didn't do anything for it, cause I like cory matthews one had like bushy hair oh yeah yeah, or uh, I uh, topanga. And then there was what was the other show we used to watch um, was it even stevens? Uh charlotte buff's like I don't think that's not the same era no, but um there's a boy.

Zach:

Boy meets, world is is. It is the same era, I you could maybe say. Now, I don't know if this is the exact same era, I think it was a little bit before it. Um, saved by the bell. Yeah, yeah, I think it's a little pre, but but it was still. I think it was going on when they, when those things were, yeah for sure, I think, saved by the bell. So I know a lot of people that you know.

Josh:

I used to watch it every morning before school.

Zach:

What was um? Uh, what's her name?

Zach:

Um, I'm brain farting Just look her up, you got a thesis who's the chick?

Zach:

that was, uh, um the hottie Burnett.

Josh:

Yeah, zach's counterpart, yep Um.

Zach:

I was trying to say.

Josh:

Tiffany, but I don't, I don't think that's it. Let me look Uh.

Zach:

Tiffany, but I don't think that's it. Let me look. We just don't use the internet, apparently.

Josh:

I know people listening and being like screaming at their fucking phones right now, being like you idiots.

Zach:

Well, we had Kelly Kapowski fucking A. This is the character. It's Tiffany Thiessen. Yeah, kelly Kapowski, those were like the three. Every man in America was either their crush was either Kelly Kapowski those were like the three. Every man in America was either their crush was either Kelly Kapowski, topanga or Kimberly. Mine was Kimberly.

Josh:

I'll tell you I didn't watch the movie until I was a little older. But Days of Confused. Who was that brunette in that movie that he got to make out with for a minute? Hold on.

Zach:

I've only seen that a few times too, so it's not as fresh in my memory. It's so good.

Josh:

We always watch it. My dad will be like that's exactly how it was.

Zach:

Yeah.

Josh:

He said verbatim.

Zach:

Yeah.

Josh:

That movie got it.

Zach:

Yeah, exactly the way it was. They've made that. They've basically made that movie that a bajillion times. That movie has been made so many times where it's like about you know, teenagers in school, it's just about this, you know high school life, or whatever. Um, I mean, George Lucas, his first movie before he did star Wars was American graffiti and it was just basically here Watch that. Yeah, I've seen all the way through. Yeah.

Josh:

Fast times at richmond high, like they've made that movie ever they've made that movie so many.

Zach:

It was this girl from choosing coneheads as well. She's a burnett. Oh yeah, she's super hot.

Josh:

Uh oh, dude, I find you unacceptable. Fast times at richmond high is, yeah, one of the best right spicoli and all them. That's a great movie yeah, exactly who's the?

Zach:

who's the chick in the bathing suit? I'd say our general, our generation's uh movie that's like. That's like that has got to be super bad.

Josh:

I love super bad. We saw that.

Zach:

That is our generation's Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

Josh:

Now I'm curious. I would say what else would it be 2007.

Zach:

Right, what else would it be? I think it has to be super bad, right, super bad.

Josh:

For me, 2007 is my junior year of high school, so we were in the exact I wasn't in high school.

Zach:

I was. I was already in college then, but I think it's still. It came out, cause what would have come out between 2000,. 2005, that would have been, that would have been when I was in in high school. That, uh, that I still think. I still say super bad.

Josh:

Let me look. There's scary movie, not another teen movie, yeah, but it has to be something that's about like high like high school life.

Zach:

Bring it on. Yeah.

Josh:

Let me look Like Clueless is one Wet. Hot American Summer.

Zach:

No, that one's a new guy. That's a white no. I'm looking looking I feel like it's the. It's the quintessential american pie too american pie straight up there. You go there. It is, that's it. So that's what it is, it's funny.

Josh:

You say that I. I have actually bought that whole set unrated. It is a comfort food because it's so relatable and obviously I wasn't in that grade when that came out the same they are but when I got to that grade it was exactly like that. We had friends that were the Stiflers. That's what I'm saying. There was the gym, because I was more of a gym. I relate to gym a lot. I think there was a lot of gyms out there there was a lot of gyms, there was a lot of us.

Zach:

Right out there. It was a lot of gems, it was a lot of us. I think actually I would be just because of your partying past, You're totally Stifler.

Josh:

No, no, no, you don't think so.

Zach:

No, no, no, no no, no, I'm a shit break. Yeah, 100%. I can see that I would have to be. I'm also kind of gemsy, but you were shit at school. Yeah, 100%, he did shit at school.

Zach:

Yeah, but finally Right.

Zach:

With medicine, right? So that was, yeah, I'd say that's who I am. Those are. I love those movies so much, but those I think America Probably the one that's like Defined the generation Kind of like If you paired early two thousands generation, when they were in high school, with a movie, it's my, my generation would be American pie. Yeah, paul Finch, paul Finch, that's it. Yeah, it was.

Josh:

Finch for us. Yeah, I remember when Garrett and I went and saw super bad in theaters, so that way it came out right before we got the senior year. I mean, it was right on time for us and everything. Our entire senior year we quoted that fucking movie yeah when he was like there's only two weeks left in school, they should be stuck on my ball sack right now. We said that every other day you don't want to suck dick at fucking pussy?

Zach:

yeah, I'd be psyched at my dick giving abilities like that has so many, has still some of the best quotable things. I would say it has probably way more one-liners and quotable things than American Pie. I would agree.

Josh:

And I remember Step Brothers coming out too, and we saw it. I mean, it was just a string of movies that we went and saw that were just epic, but Superbad still is one of the by far best comedies ever.

Zach:

So when did American Pie come out?

Josh:

So the first one, I think, was 99.

Zach:

Yeah, see, it's right there, it's right there. So if you said 99, 2000,. Whatever 2005, and every five years they come out with a high school life movie, right? If you would say, we'll just say, we'll say 99, 2000 to 2005,. That was American Pie.

Zach:

Yeah, 1999.

Zach:

and then 2005 to 2010,. That movie would be super bad. Yeah, what's the? What's the high school movie that came out between 2010, 2015. That was like defined that five years for high school kids, kids in the high school that time, 2000,.

Josh:

What five to 10? Or 2010 to now?

Zach:

2015,. 2010 to 2015. I think I might know what it is. Let me look it up first. I mean, I'm trying to think of any other movie that I've seen that probably was during that era Project X, oh god, I love that movie which is based on a true story by the guy in Australia yeah.

Josh:

I watched the thing about that the guy's the movie's better than the actual dude.

Zach:

I think, maybe, I think probably, and also it launched Miles Teller. That movie launched Miles Teller. That's when everybody kind of became aware of him, because even the I don't think the main character has really done anything that I can?

Josh:

Project X is on the list.

Zach:

I think it's got to be Project.

Josh:

X, which, if you've never seen the Duff, that's a great one too. The Duff is post-6. When was Duff came out? 2015.

Zach:

Okay, so that's right on the edge there. So the Duff was pretty good, but I think I give the edge to Project X.

Josh:

So what's come All these?

Zach:

is going to be, project X will be the one. What's the what's the movie that probably defines that, those high school years. But those kids, uh, I work with some Gen Z now, so I'm trying to think what, what, what do they quote?

Josh:

Hold on. They probably went back and watched some of our shit.

Zach:

Maybe it's starting to get a little bit harder. The first ones it was easy to Because there was a bunch of them.

Josh:

Scott Pilgrim vs the World, that's 2010.

Zach:

That doesn't classify as a high school movie. I mean Because, like I said, they've made this movie a bajillion times.

Josh:

When did the Kissing Booth movies come out. Do you ever watch those? No, those are good, that's 2018. The Kissing Booth, Kissing Booth 2, and Kissing Booth 3. Those are that's got. I've heard of it. Let me look it up. Yeah, like a movie that would like stand the test of time and define a generation you know kind of thing I've watched them multiple times. Life in high school, well, it's period, so it's. She's the awkward girl in high school trying and chasing her friend's brother.

Zach:

That's the hot jock, and like they kind of I mean it feels very similar to those movies is it one of those movies where everybody that went to high school between 2015 and 2020 would have seen? I don't know.

Josh:

I can't, I don't think so I can't speak for it, because I never legit, never heard of it. Well, it's also kind of a teenage romance. I know it's not really usually your thing. That's why I jumped on it.

Zach:

There's got to be something. I don't know I can't find one. They finally stopped making that.

Josh:

They didn't make them as good. Maybe because in 2015 is kind of when everything went.

Zach:

I mean, that's when Trump got elected in 2016 and everything went fucking nuts. So maybe you're right. They have not made sense, none of these.

Josh:

Project X King of Staten Island.

Zach:

They haven't made a high school movie. No, what's the last high school movie like mainstream big high school movie? Let's google that. Or I'm on Grok and see what AI gives me. See what's. What's the last high school movie? Let's see yeah, cause there's. I mean there's a wealth of them. Yeah, but I can't think of anything. Let's see yeah, cause there's a there. I mean there's a wealth of them, yeah but I can't I can't think of anything. Uh did mean movie, but give me something, Come on 10 things I hate about you.

Josh:

That's a good one. That's 99. Yeah, dude, the Duff is the only one I can remember from 2015.

Zach:

Is that the last?

Josh:

one. That's the last one I remember. Dude. That's the last one I remember that I remember I'm about to leave this up to the audience, if anybody's listening can recall the last high school movie.

Zach:

To me, they were looking for something between 2015 and 2020. And I was about to ask you know, we're in 2025. So what's 2020 to 2025? What was the high school movie?

Josh:

Blockers was good.

Zach:

Cause I feel like they make them once every 2018, every five years Blockers was right.

Josh:

That more of all, it was all female.

Zach:

It was about the adults.

Josh:

Oh no, it was about their kids being in high school.

Zach:

I get it, but it's not about the high school kids.

Josh:

The, the lead adult. Oh well then, I think, in my opinion, every ever after american pie, everything was shit. American pie, like defined an era like it's yeah, but it'd be super bad, oh, so probably after super bad for me and the project was good.

Zach:

Project x was fun, but it was still. I mean it wasn't. I mean, yeah, you can't compare project x to like super bad. I mean obviously that that does.

Josh:

There's no comparison x makes me want to party every time.

Zach:

Yes, but if, but, if you were like an alien or you were a historian and you were going back and being like what was high school life like in 2012? Oh yeah, you would watch that movie. You know what I'm? Saying that's what I'm looking for, like. What is the movie so like? I want to understand what high school life was like, what people perceived high school life to be like in 2015,. What is?

Josh:

that movie I could even imagine what they're watching now.

Zach:

I have no idea.

Josh:

I could not fucking tell you, because we're old.

Zach:

I have no idea, maybe they just finally stopped making that type of movie. Like I said, they've been making the high school movie for decades.

Josh:

I mean we're in an era now at schools.

Zach:

Did COVID break them Because? They all did high school remote, and so they were like. Our experience for high school was like sitting in front of a fucking laptop.

Josh:

It was severance, it was severance right.

Zach:

Severance is the highest.

Josh:

I don't know, dude, I have no idea, I can't, I don't know. That's a good question.

Zach:

We'll leave it up to the audience All 30 of the people that listen, or whoever, I don't know what our numbers are. But yeah, let's throw that out to the audience. If you can think of, what was the high school movie between 2015 and 2020. We kind of said the Duff, so maybe we can have the Duff. That's kind of the being on the front end of 2015 to 2020. I think that might qualify. But then what was the last one? I guess would be the question. What was the last high school movie? Maybe it was the Duff, I don't know and it can't be something obscure. I mean, you can find something on Tubi or whatever, or deep into Netflix, but I'm talking about theatrical release, widely known high school movie. What was the last one? It's a good question. No, but I'm going to do some independent research. I'll do the same. Well, I guess we probably should wrap it up with wrap it up leaving a question to the audience.

Zach:

Definitely you know like, subscribe, share, follow oh and when I post a question.

Josh:

Question if you follow, please answer. If I post a question, I did today like okay, what's? Some topics like don't be shy yeah, engage nothing nothing is off the table. Yeah, you can ask. You can ask about bowel movements, any.

Zach:

Anything you fucking want to talk us to talk about, we will talk about it I don't care what it is, we just talk about stuff that we pull out of our ass. Yeah, so you know, maybe every once in a while we would talk about something that's pulled out of your ass.

Josh:

If you want to talk about toys, I don't give a fuck, just send it, we'll talk about it. And there's nothing off the table.

Zach:

Yeah, I mean yeah.

Josh:

I mean, we'll make it. The whole show calls. Yeah, we can. If you'd like to call in, if you'd like for us to reach out to you and talk on the show.

Zach:

Yeah, even if we know you're not. If you just sit up and be like I want to be a part of the show, I'm actually, we're just done, we're just pulling. We're coming up with this like in real time, this idea, and, uh, yeah, I kind of like this, like if you were like, hey, I want to like call in because I got a bone to pick or I got a question or I want to comment about something you guys said in the past or whatever. You know, hit us up on the socials and we'll coordinate and get you in on, you can.

Josh:

We need an Instagram call.

Zach:

Yep, instagram's got a phone. We can express your grievance.

Josh:

Or if you have a show you'd recommend to us, or if we bring something up that you'd like to flesh out from the previous episode, dude. I'm all about it from the previous episode. Dude, I'm all about it. Yeah, we'll get you on the spot.

Zach:

If you want to call in and call us retards, that's fine too I don't care, I'm still waiting for that first hate comment. This hasn't happened 73 episodes and I haven't got the hate comment. It's coming.

Josh:

I think your teacher episodes are hot. Your teacher episodes are hot.

Zach:

Yeah, transition into a little bit more. You know, media and entertainment, pop culture focus, so maybe those are going to be farther and few between my hot takes.

Josh:

Maybe we need to swing back in and try to piss people off Exactly.

Zach:

Haven't done in a while.

Josh:

Yeah, but yeah, let's do that. Please, let us know.

Zach:

All right, Well, thanks for listening everybody Later Peace.

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