The Infinite Weekend Podcast

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Zach and Josh reunite to discuss everything from dog moms and church visits to teenage memories and their latest entertainment experiences.

• Commentary on people who treat pets as children and the absurdity of celebrating "dog moms" on Mother's Day
• Hilarious church visit observations including awkward moments and people-watching
• Nostalgic stories about first makeout sessions and teenage embarrassments
• Critical review of Nicole Kidman's "Baby Girl" film
• Detailed critique of Andor Season 2's disappointing storyline and broken Star Wars universe rules
• Recommendation for "The Four Seasons" on Netflix starring Steve Carell and Tina Fey
• Comprehensive review of Marvel's "Thunderbolts" movie with character analysis
• Discussion about Florence Pugh's standout performance and David Harbour's humor
• Thoughts on the MCU's future direction based on end-credit scenes
• Commentary on beauty standards and praise for Salma Hayek's Sports Illustrated appearance at 58

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Zach:

Hey, welcome to the Infinite Weekend Podcast, episode 7-7. This is Zach Josh. What's up?

Josh:

What'd you say? What episode? 7-7. I thought you said 7-7. I'm like have we done that many? My God, Where's the money it's going to take us?

Zach:

three years to get to triple digits.

Josh:

Probably At our pace. Probably there's been a lot of shit come up lately, man, yeah, that's true, like sickness, I know, dude, my house has been crazy On-call sickness.

Zach:

It's been legit been the worst year for allergies for me.

Josh:

It has been Dude. Kylie and her both right now have got shit going on. It's not good.

Zach:

I got sick six weeks ago and I haven't really recovered.

Josh:

I, and it was the day after my birthday, I think, and then I got like I went and test, rode a bunch of motorcycles, which was awesome, but I got back and, like you know, you get that itch in your throat Like you're like no, something's on its way, dude the next day like a truck like I'd swallowed glass in my sleep, yep. So I went to the doctor because to get stuff for work case. I you know I was, did you have something? And they were like no, you don't have anything yep, they're like, um, this might be viral.

Josh:

I'm like, okay. So I went home and I did one of those things that I've never done, where I just sit on the couch all day yeah like I went to the bathroom and I ate when I can and I just sat on the couch all day and watched movies.

Josh:

Yeah, now I know why they say you should do that a couple of times a month for just your wellbeing. It's awesome Not doing a fucking thing and not having anywhere to be. Yeah, just, and it's okay. It was all right. I think I needed it more than I thought. Yep, and it's so much.

Zach:

It's so much more satisfying when it's like up this time I was like dude, you ain't got nothing that can't wait till tomorrow.

Josh:

Right, I just submerged in my couch exactly it was cool. I don't want not all the time no, not every day.

Zach:

No, it's like, you know, it's like uh, self-care, you know. I mean you gotta do it every once in a while it is widely, I don't I don't do it, but I hear you know you have a good cry every once in a while. I've done a lot right. The last, same kind of thing sit on your ass every once in a while.

Josh:

I had a power weep, probably almost two months ago, and it like you, like you were flexing yeah, like forcing it out it like usually, when I would have, like my anger outburst, I'd look for other things to make me more angry or angry.

Josh:

Is it angry or I'm more angry? Is it angrier? Angrier you? Sure the angry? Yeah, either way, um, I would look for stuff to like keep it going. When I got, like, in the weepathon, I would look for other things to make me sad it was, or I'd stir up things I kept in a little box that never shared and I just let them.

Josh:

Let them rip yeah and it feels good, it feels tremendous. I recommend any of you menfolk, if you got some shit you want to cry about, if you gotta do it by alone or whatever, do it. It's growth I'll take your report.

Zach:

Uh, I just never felt so inclined.

Josh:

I'm not saying I haven't you got to humanize it, man we're always as dudes, we're always like keep it, keep it suppressed and in a tight box and be a fucking man Like no dude. You end up imploding.

Zach:

See, I think I'm guilty. I think I'll end up taking it. You implode. I think I'll take the Bill Burr approach. You had that good cry years ago in the street. Yeah, I was hammered. Yeah, but either way, that's, they's my true self. Then I was. When I'm drunk, then I'm a weeping little bitch.

Josh:

That's not true. I've been around you drunk. We're fun as fuck.

Zach:

That didn't get laid right. So that's my true self.

Josh:

Hey man, I mean, if you were that emotional about not me getting laid and you kept pushing it away and suppressing it, have I told that story on this podcast? We to the kept pushing it away and suppressing it. We have had a whole episode.

Zach:

It's good shit, that's, it's still crazy.

Josh:

Still sad about it. He still apologized yeah.

Zach:

Yeah, it's so funny it's still like a running joke or whatever. When I, when they like, hey, you should go talk to the girl, I'm like what's the point?

Josh:

B's just going to jump in there and steal her all the time. That's true. He needs to relax with that. He's like a lion that waits for, like the injured fawns. And yeah right, wait for that one.

Zach:

Yeah, exactly right that would just break its ankle it's like it's like we all. It's like we unintentionally, like planned is like all right, I'll be this, what's gonna happen? I'm gonna go in there and I'm gonna creep her out and you're gonna come in and save, be the knight in shining armor and save her from this creep. That is me. It's like we we don't plan it, but it's like we planned it.

Josh:

Yeah, it's an assist right, yeah, but I just don't know claiming the kill right, you're not exactly.

Zach:

He's making the shot.

Josh:

What a dick oh my god oh, what I was telling you about. I was going to bring up that I've seen recently and an influx of it. It just angers me is the people pushing their dogs and strollers. So it was Mother's Day. It gets on my fucking nerves.

Zach:

It was Mother's Day Sunday. Oh, you saw this, yeah, right, and so I'm with you on this, and I think this is in the same vein is I absolutely can't stand two phrases during this time of year. I know.

Josh:

I like it.

Zach:

I thought about this today. Two phrases piss me the fuck off, Do it. Dog mom and fur babies.

Josh:

Okay, For one. The dog mom. You're not a mom. You're not a fuck mom. Sorry, I have a child and I have a dog. I like my dog a lot. It is nothing compared to being you're full of shit. You're in your own little weird culture that I don't understand Fur baby. I can bite at that a little bit. That doesn't irk me as bad as someone who says these are my children.

Zach:

I guess that's what it's in reference. When they say fur baby, it's in reference to that's my baby. Or when someone says so you got any kids? That's not your baby.

Josh:

Just say no. No, because they're asking you if you have little humans, as in children. Not no, but I have these dogs. That's not what I asked you, bitch, see when I say that's not what I asked you.

Zach:

See, when people ask me that question, they say you got any kids? I say it because it's funny, not because I'm trying to be like serious, but that's a running joke.

Josh:

This is a running joke. Most people have a cat as their single Right. Same with a woman Never felt the touch of a man, she has four cats Right.

Zach:

Exactly. So I'm leaning into that joke. But like when other people like women, I mean let's just say it.

Josh:

I'm not going to sugarcoat it.

Zach:

Women do this shit and they say you know, they ask that question. You got any kids Like oh no, I've got a Yorkie and I've got a.

Josh:

That's not what I ask.

Zach:

That's not what I ask I don't care, give a fuck about your pets. Yeah, I don't care. You know what I mean. They're serious.

Josh:

The way I treat that is just like I'm doing. It Is that dude's. He was the one that's divorced one of his sisters now.

Zach:

Scott Scott I love.

Josh:

Whenever she's like you want something to drink, she was like well, I've been trying to. He was like I don't want your life story. Do you want something?

Zach:

to drink or not. I just want something to drink, yes or no?

Josh:

Like. That is how I feel about it when they're like well, I've got yeah, and he's like if you guys lose.

Zach:

He was right Most of the time. It was funny.

Josh:

He was right.

Zach:

I would watch the show just to watch him. So I just want to watch clips of him. It's funny.

Josh:

Yeah, I don't. I've been this shit with. They push them in a stroller, I just yeah. Like how low do you got to get?

Zach:

Like I mean so yeah, ladies, don't. If it's mother's day, you do not get to celebrate Mother's Day. Do not participate in Mother's Day.

Josh:

Send a nice message and a gift to your own fucking mother and shut up and happy, late Mother's Day to all the moms that listen Shout out Agreed the real ones.

Zach:

Well, what did you do for Mother's Day?

Josh:

Oh, we had brunch at my folks' house. Siblings came over, we did cards. Kylie and I don't do gifts on Mother's or Father's.

Josh:

Day, it's just cards.

Josh:

I honestly think both of them are bullshit holidays. Unless you don't speak to your parents, that's the one time you get to shine, but I talk to my parents regularly and then Kylie and I are just like. We just think it's a commercial. It's just a bullshit pressured holiday. I appreciate her being the mother of my daughter.

Josh:

we just think it's a commercial, it's just a bullshit pressured holiday I you know I appreciate her being the mother of my daughter, but like I don't, I do things throughout the year. We don't. I don't need one day. She does things for me for the year. So, like birthdays, yes, I do gifts and stuff for Christmas the main stuff but Valentine's day, mother's day, father Day, all those are bullshit in my opinion.

Zach:

I love that, you know, I love that I know I think it's stupid.

Josh:

You went out to dinner with us one time for Valentine's.

Josh:

Day we don't take it that serious. I forgot about that. I think twice yeah.

Josh:

It's one thing when you're young, valentine's Day is exciting because you're trying to impress the lady, you're trying to have sex.

Zach:

It's a thing when you're a young man, oh when you're a young man, but, like I don't know, oh yeah, Well, you do it at a young man because it gives you first of all, it's expected.

Josh:

That's true.

Zach:

There is pressure, that is true, but if you rise to the occasion, then it does give you an opportunity to really put on the moves and impress or whatever, and you can get some good return.

Josh:

Well, not only that, it's also a time too. If you're the woman too, it's time for them to get lingerie, be sexy, that's what I mean.

Zach:

Exactly right, that's what I'm saying.

Josh:

So it's a two-way street. I mean now it's, you know, hoodies and sweatpants, and you know, Special occasion. You Maybe Maybe Back in the day, maybe.

Zach:

Like on a normal Tuesday you can't make that request, but Valentine's Day you might be able to. Yeah, it's like hold up. Right, I'm like it's only one day of the year I paid the mortgage, all right.

Josh:

I took you to your favorite restaurant.

Zach:

I did all these things Like come on.

Josh:

You got fries.

Josh:

You got fries and a tea, but that's all we did. What did?

Zach:

y'all do. Well, my mom's one request is she wanted all of her children to go to church where they're in the morning. So we went and I had a. Let me just give you that little experience real quick. I haven't gone in a while, mostly just because it's just I don't like the environment.

Josh:

Last time we went, last time we did yeah we talked about it.

Zach:

I'm just not a fan like the environment. You went last time we did.

Josh:

Yeah, we talked about it, I'm just not a fan of the environment. It's usually forced and awkward or too ceremonial.

Zach:

It's sterile, it's like I don't know any of these people. I don't really.

Josh:

We do it at home, yeah.

Zach:

It's not like I don't get religious things. You know spiritual things. You know, it's it under a tree that's what I'm saying, and so I I just not, I'm not a big fan of like the religiosity or like the you know uh, religion ink yeah I got, you know, I mean so anyway. So I went though um and um. First of all, I you know I have all these allergies, or whatever. I just I could. I didn't. I was late because I was having a fucking coughing fit in my truck in the parking lot?

Josh:

you don't want to think you're being overcome by it. Well, I didn't want to get in.

Zach:

Yeah, exactly everybody like he's. We found one. Get him, you know exactly, pour some water on him come on, drag him down, come on up. Yeah, exactly, um, you know well, it's just, you know, awkward. I'm over there hacking up a lung and everyone's like shut the fuck up.

Josh:

We're trying to learn about jesus if they say that that's church you want to be.

Zach:

These are my people right so got a great sense of humor in here, so I had to like calm down and get it all out, and then, first, first thing, I like get out immediately. I had been into a church parking lot even the parking lot. They got a security guard in like years and as soon as I opened the door, I hit the car next to me. So I'm like, oh fuck, what do I do? I closed my door and I moved to another spot.

Josh:

You can't lie in a church parking lot.

Zach:

I straight up did I straight up, moved to another spot, I'm just like. I'm not having this confrontation Because I know what happened. I come out at the same exact time. You probably didn't even notice it.

Josh:

I rubbed it out.

Zach:

It will come out just fine. Yeah, but like it's just, it wasn't that big of a deal, it wasn't like a big dent, I would go all the way by the tree, like I ain't got it in the building yet, I'm already like sinning.

Zach:

You know what I mean? Oh yeah, and you're a liar, and I'm a liar. Right, you need to be there. Needed to another space, so that wasn't a great start. Anyway, I get in there and it was fine. Default normal service. It tied it in with Mother's Day and all this kind of stuff. Also, I'm not big into the singing. I don't sing normally.

Zach:

So, why would I sing a song that I don't know? That, yeah, just because everybody else does. It's kind of depressing sounding. Sure, it does not upbeat. It's usually like I don't know.

Josh:

It's like do you want to get? Do you want to sing it real quick? No, I can't.

Zach:

So you know what I mean, but, um you know, there it's almost like, um I know to that, sorry, sue me, you gotta be sorry, um, this is our show, right, so it's just not my, not my bag, uh, so I just stand there and just observe, right, and so also me, being kind of a people watcher like I spent a lot of time doing that place to do like sitting in the back so I can just like scope out or whatever I know what you're looking for.

Josh:

Uh, yeah, and it was tuned up.

Zach:

That's all I can say, and so that was my. We get out. First of all, my dad leans over to me. He gets up randomly and just I think maybe runs off the bathroom. He gets up and just beelines for the door.

Zach:

I'm like all right, well, there he goes when he comes back, and then it's getting toward the end and if you've ever been to a Protestant uh service, it has a pretty much generic formula every time. They do like the worship service in the very beginning to where it's like singing, and usually it's like a group thing, and then they'll have like a single singer that does like his own, like a solo song or whatever, and then you have the, the uh sermon right, and then at the very end of the sermon he has the called the invitation. Yeah, right, invitation to to come down to the altar or whatever. Yeah, and everybody, and there's multiple praying sessions in between. Um, so right before the invitation was about to come, my dad leans over to me. He says uh, says uh, I'm getting real, uh, and of course he's, he's losing his hearing a little bit. Yeah, so he has does not have the capacity to whisper.

Zach:

He can't whisper yeah, it's, it's awesome. So when he leans in to try to whisper, he's like so, imagine him like leaning in. He just goes hey, I'm like, hey, keep it down.

Josh:

Whisper, whisper, we're not outside dude.

Zach:

Exactly, people can hear you, right? And he's like I'm getting real antsy, I'm going to go, I don't think I'm gonna come back. Watch, bring my Bible whenever you guys leave and I'm like I can just take it with you. I was like okay, and he gets up and leaves and we don't see him again and, uh, he's got his Bible sitting next to me, which is also that thing needs to be like recovered.

Josh:

It's like in tatters oh, I'm sure he's got like notes, notes in it.

Zach:

Yeah, it's like he lived in a cave for three years with it, or something.

Josh:

Probably did.

Zach:

And he'd come out alive. I think it was like a first edition, you know, like the old testament was written.

Josh:

It was one of them, yeah.

Zach:

So anyway, so finish out the service, we go out there.

Josh:

Did you get his Bible for him? Yeah, I brought it with me.

Zach:

So, yeah, Now it looks like it's mine and I'm the one with the ratty Bible. Well, you just take good notes.

Josh:

I guess that's true. You're a believer.

Zach:

Actually, there was a lady that was sitting across from me and she was feverishly taking notes and me being me and I know you would probably do the same thing, probably. As I look over, I'm like, uh, I, I like in my mind, I was like gesturing I would wanted to go over to her and be like, hey, uh, you better get this.

Josh:

It's gonna be on the final yeah you know, I mean end of the week it's a 80 percent agree. You might not make it like you think that's gonna save you right, exactly, and then just walk off yeah, right, exactly so my mind was racing like why are you taking notes? I don't understand Also what he was saying or you want to walk over and be like can I copy you Right?

Zach:

exactly. Yeah, it's like, what was that part I missed it. Yeah, we share notes. Did he say Satan or Beelzebub, which?

Josh:

one did he say I dropped my crayon?

Zach:

Right, that's what I should have done. I should have pulled out a big ass, fucking marker yeah, it's like. I'm taking notes too. You know it was odd, but anyway, because I'm a people watcher and I have these, I observe things you saw some women and I have these dumb, these dumb thoughts.

Zach:

There was a, there was one in particular that I I was just keyed in on the whole time. It was distracting for one. Anyway, we leave. I get out into the foyer after the invitation is over, the service is over and people are piling out. I'm actually just kind of waiting because we're looking to find out where the fuck my dad went. It turns out he left the building and was going back toward the car.

Zach:

I was down the street or whatever, I don't know, because he was restless whatever that means um, but uh, so we're just watching people pile out and I, you know, I'm at church, but I, I guess that's because I haven't been in a while. And uh, this is a bigger church, it's. You know, it's hilldale just down the street and uh, my god, these women were dressed slutty for church. Yeah, and it was I. It was just. I mean, I appreciate my eyes, appreciate it, of course, like thank you, of course, but also I was like time and place. Well, I don't know, what are you doing here?

Josh:

There's been a massive influx in dress for women and I don't know how old anybody is, so I have to look for an engagement ring or a wedding ring or a tattoo to kind of keep me semi-safe. Because I do look. I can't help it.

Zach:

Especially at the gym. I'm not saying they got to dress Amish, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying but this shit was like in a skin, tight like fucking onesie. It was awesome, wasn't it?

Josh:

Yes, and I'm the imagination don't go on marketplace and look for motorcycles, because moms are selling their daughters prom dresses with pictures of them in them and I don't know what grade these people are in or but the times have changed since I had prom. I can tell you that on the, the style of dress, oh my gosh, like everything is skin tight, super short, deep cut, like full, full on cleave. I'm like fuck man.

Zach:

I remember one of her. I went to prom twice, Went to mine and then I went to my girlfriend's because she was a grade younger than me. I was stud I remember I think both times, I think the girl I took to mine. That was a whole shitty situation. I actually had a crush on her and she yeah. I had a crush on her and she was a twin.

Josh:

She was the hot twin.

Zach:

Right, nice Well, I guess maybe to me, I don't know they're twins. There's always one that looks a little different and she was the one that I was attracted to and, uh, had a crush on her and, um, it turns out like I thought that there was like some reciprocal reciprocation there, or whatever there wasn't no she really just wanted to go to prom. She was a saw, I think she was. I think she was a sophomore.

Zach:

I think she was a sophomore yeah and uh, and of course I was a senior and uh, she, um, uh, just wanted to go to prom because her sister had a boyfriend who was also going to prom, oh. And so she just wanted to go to prom and so she kind of used me to get to prom and so flirted with me, just enough cool, though, I mean yeah but that kind of but I didn't, but I didn't get, oh we're not going to get your dick sucked, sorry, so we got to prom and it was fine and we danced and everything.

Zach:

I thought this was like. I asked her prom because we've been kind of flirting but really she was using me, but I didn't know because I was a dumbass. And then go to prom and I thought maybe this would lead into something more. We can date or whatever, at least have a summer fling or whatever the fuck.

Josh:

Two weeks handjob, three weeks blowjob.

Zach:

It was like oh, thanks for the prom, see ya.

Josh:

We were still friends but, it just never worked out.

Josh:

Am I the only person that went? Were you a senior at prom?

Zach:

Yeah, I was a senior at prom and I took a senior Okay, the following year I went to my you know I was already an adult and I went to uh my girlfriend's prom yes. I already seen some shit. I've lived some life, okay, and I went back to high school.

Josh:

Did you have?

Josh:

fun the second time.

Zach:

Oh yeah, because it was my girlfriend and we had a blast, and then we banged and it was awesome.

Josh:

I wish I could do it over again. I mean, I had fun, don't get me wrong, oh yeah.

Zach:

I was saying tying into your conversation. Yeah, you were saying about the dress she seemed like she wore like a normal, the one I took to the pool.

Josh:

Yeah, all of them Like a normal type kind of thing you know, like below the knee.

Josh:

Yeah, like floor length shit yeah.

Zach:

And you know, armor going on, uh, it was a little bit more because she was a little bit more hippie dippy kind of free spirit type, anyway. So, um, she wasn't glammed up, I guess you could say and but it was still. You know, it wasn't risque.

Josh:

It was only a few girls in our class that dressed like that, but like even our normal day-to-day wasn't average. The girls we hung out with were in jeans and t-shirts like it was just we've said it before like there was nothing. Really I don't know. We just weren't in that headspace, like of course we wondered obviously oh yeah and you, you know, pour over the pages and pictures and see if you catch a shot of them on the summer vacation with their family or something but like it wasn't it wasn't, yeah, yeah, like now you have nothing to guess, everything is just out in the open.

Josh:

You're wandering Like you don't have to wonder anymore about anything. There's no, it's like well, I've already seen all that.

Zach:

Well, we had there that. We grew up in a high school. It was the era of low rise jeans. Oh yeah, you're right. Yeah, yeah, I'm saying so the girl, the girls that wore the low rise jeans. Those are the ones that were showing off.

Josh:

You remember the what was it called Like gaucho pants, Like those prerequisite for yoga pants.

Zach:

Yes, and they flared out at the bottom yeah, but it made the. Those just covered the ass. They did not contain the ass.

Josh:

No.

Zach:

They just covered it, so you got all of the jiggle it was cool. It was amazing, it was cool, great time to be alive.

Josh:

The jeans with no back pockets, those came out too. Those were great too.

Zach:

Unfortunately, the drawback to that is that they would wear the sweats with like juicy on the ass.

Josh:

Those were cool dude. That was dumb as shit.

Zach:

I was like the lettering is getting in the way of the contour. I can't see the ass properly.

Josh:

But it only really was cool if it really was what it says.

Zach:

But it did give you an excuse to be like look at the ass. Because I'm just trying to read what it says. Yeah.

Josh:

Well then you could just admit what you were doing, because, they would too.

Josh:

Yeah, that's true.

Zach:

What great time I watched, I saw this video of this, uh, this, uh, talking about, like, how more promiscuous it seems like this later generations have been and they're just well, I'm telling you, whatever they just give it up. I think that's changing. I think it's. There's a shift where they're gen z.

Zach:

Gen z is not on as much um, or a gen alpha, I guess you could say, because it's one after z, uh, is the uh, the ones I think gen Alpha, I think is the ones that are currently in school right now, or something.

Josh:

I don't know, let me look.

Zach:

But I saw this video of like a dude. He was playing this game to where he would like pretend to make out with a girl, like go in, and then he would. Then he would swerve, yeah Right, and he would swerve the chick and he just did it over and over and over again to probably like 30 different girls at this one party. And of course and I think what it was is because someone's got a camera out and they want to be a part of the tick tock or whatever the fuck they're doing. But this I'm just like I couldn't get one girl at a fucking party to like make out with me in the middle of fucking party. And this dude is these girls were legit going in and the joke was they thought it was serious and then he'd swerve him. At the end he got like 30 girls, so like he probably just walked up to him, be like oh hey, we're gonna make a tiktok, you won't make out, and they'd be like okay, well, yeah and I'm just like I was born in the wrong time.

Zach:

It was a wild. Video making out was the best, absolutely my favorite. Born in the wrong time. Try it now.

Josh:

It was a wild video Making out was the best Absolutely. It was one of my favorite things in the world Absolutely. But yeah, I've also been swerved on before too that whole head-turning shit.

Zach:

I've had that done multiple times.

Josh:

It sucks.

Zach:

I never did it. I know we've talked about our first time becoming men.

Josh:

We just did last episode, I think.

Zach:

So we mentioned what about the first? Like makeout sesh.

Josh:

Oh man, that was a good one too. That wasn't as awkward at all, yeah.

Zach:

I don't know, mine was uh. I was nervous as fuck. Oh, I'm on my dude I've.

Josh:

I don't think I've ever not been nervous for anything.

Zach:

Yes bad now. But I'm like Jim from American Pie. I take that back. My first doesn't actually really count, because I didn't really know what the fuck I was doing, because I was so young I was terrified of women. My first I was like, oh, how the fuck I was old. I was like not that old, 36?

Josh:

No it was literally last Tuesday. No, I was like, let me try to think of where it was, whenever I was like uh, it was whenever I was in North Carolina, live there.

Zach:

So damn, I want to say I was probably 11, maybe 12. Fuck, I was still playing with Legos. Yeah, I know, Well, it was a. It was a neighborhood girl, that was kind of she's kind of tomboyish a little bit yeah. So, um, uh, her name was Jesse. I do remember her name.

Josh:

Jessie and.

Zach:

I've talked about. I've talked about this. We actually named it an episode title yeah, Coming of Age in a TP it's that story. Well, yeah, we have a whole episode, so she wanted to make out with tongue and all this kind of stuff and it was gross to me.

Josh:

I Flash Pills is a good episode. If you guys haven't heard that episode, go back and check our episode. Yeah, it's one of the very early episodes where I talk about how I became.

Zach:

it's a coming-of-age story for me that's a good one. So that technically was my first kiss, but I hated it. I didn't like it.

Josh:

So you're talking about your first one you liked.

Zach:

The first one where I was like that's a real one. I was a sophomore in high school and it was the snowball, was the winter formal.

Josh:

Oh, that's a good dance. I remember that yeah.

Zach:

The girl that I took same grade Um uh, her name was Holly Uh.

Josh:

I think you might. You might know, you don't know her.

Zach:

I think, uh, I might my friend group in Hendersonville, I think somebody knows her. Oh, yeah, okay, cause they ended up being sorority college.

Zach:

Uh, yeah, holly, she was the first. I don't know, I'll be honest with you. I think she did find out later, but uh, definitely probably did. Probably does now, if I now I'm throwing this out here, I don't think she knew that I was. She was my first. I wasn't hers. Make out first. Make out, oh nice, I wasn't hurt. I don't think that's even relevant. Is it like to tell me like, well, and also, there wasn't I. We asked, you know, I asked her out there. We didn't date or anything like that. We, I think we went on maybe one date and then I asked her to snowball and um, and then it was at the end of the night dropping her off and then making the little makeout session. My, my car.

Josh:

Oh dude, those cars are cool. Have you gotten caught? I was nervous as fuck. Have you gotten caught making out in a car? Uh, like by a friend or like awkwardly, I didn't oh, so I'm not in the car, but I've been caught in so many worse places I've never been caught doing that stuff, but like I got caught making out.

Zach:

It was I've really awkward was in the middle of having sex like on top of a girl and oh, oh wow, in a living room. Blanket on or bare ass, bare ass, I'm up, I'm on top, ooh, and completely forgot to lock the front door. I locked the door to the, to the basement, where everybody was. Yeah, but they went out the garage door and walked around the and they walked in through the front door. They catch you mid-thrust. Eight fucking people walked through that door.

Josh:

Did they catch you mid-thrust?

Zach:

Yes, oh, that's awkward, but me being me less so now, but back in the day. I do well on awkward and also I don't give a fuck, Especially them. I don't have a lot of shame now. I had negative shame when I was younger, you made a lot of money back in the day. If that was a thing, yeah pretty.

Josh:

if it wasn't, you've been rich problem, the studio would be a lot different.

Zach:

Yeah, right, right, exactly. Uh, probably wouldn't be as popular as it is now, but, um, yeah, I do remember they walked in and uh, and I was just you know, I was making already making jokes about it and I was like oh, what's up, you know, come join us.

Josh:

Whatever I was trying to, like keep a boner, and I was trying to like get.

Zach:

I was my. In my mind I was like'm going to get up and corral them out of here. Butt fucking egg with my dick out. You know that'd be funny. She was naked under me, so she yanked me back down so that I wouldn't expose her.

Josh:

Yeah, that makes sense. Using a human flesh shield? Yeah, pretty much I was a blanket.

Zach:

I don't have any like, so not caught in the car, but worse. And that's not the first time I've been walked in on I do.

Josh:

I remember my first public boner with a female as a young man. Oh okay, yeah, I think I was. I don't even know if I've ever told this story. I think I was 13 or 14. Did you tuck in I had talking to your belt. Pool date with a young lady. Um, and for some reason I thought it'd be a good idea to wear yellow uh swim trunks and be pale as I am. Um, it was a Dunbar cave pool. I remember it did.

Zach:

Okay.

Josh:

First time ever. Uh, of course you know you're nervous wreck when you're 13, 14 years old, but I never had like a young lady asked me to put some block on them. Ooh.

Josh:

Yeah, yeah. So I mean it was like, yeah, I get to touch before, Exactly right. As soon as Mike, my hand hit her shoulder like the top of it, instantly Like no, it wasn't like that. No.

Zach:

I was like six to midnight. Well, the problem with that, get in the pool. It's like we just ate. You can't.

Josh:

Everything's calmed down, we get in the pool.

Zach:

Then of course you know there's some like, like cuddling, when you're a kid, yeah, and that even just like set me off Now, you can't get out of the pool up, right she's like what are you waiting on?

Josh:

I'm like I you got the full davy jones, and so I had to like you have to like smash it in that netting. Yeah, right, so it looks like a trapped fish, or you try like.

Zach:

You can try like push it down between your thighs. I can't because you don't wear underwear with those at the time, so it's just net like netting, plus all your shit shriveled up, so it's just shaft it's just mackerel and you don't have a shirt on, so it's not like if you tuck it in the waistband, your head will just be super thin.

Josh:

So like yeah, dude, it was no I, I it was awful, it was awful bro yeah.

Josh:

And then to you, you know, dude at that point I mean you just have to just own it.

Zach:

You also have that problem whenever you get out of the water like the suction.

Josh:

Oh, dude, oh my God, so you had to. Just finally just went away. But, dude, that was rough man, that was rough, that sucked. Being a guy it's all the fun.

Josh:

It's the best Absolutely.

Josh:

Yeah, now, once you get older, it's just like I don't care anymore.

Josh:

If I get one, I get one.

Josh:

It's like the dude said. It's like super bad, super bad. He said I just want to live in a world where I don't have to hide my boner. Yeah well, they want to see him.

Zach:

That's the world I want to live in. Yeah, and I'm like it actually sounds cool, yeah, right.

Josh:

I mean, I don't want exactly, don't be mad at me. Well, it's like we.

Zach:

Uh, I think I've asked the stripper that before. I was like, uh, I think we've asked, I've asked, I think you've asked, I think we were together, I think, uh, some other friends of ours have asked that question before, but it's been asked multiple times by different people of strippers. Be like, do you like? Like, is that we get boners or not?

Josh:

Right.

Zach:

And I've heard both ways.

Josh:

Yeah, so I think it's like it annoys them.

Zach:

Other ones are like well, they think they're not doing a good job if they like it.

Josh:

wouldn't it be like it's kind of like getting a good Yelp review?

Zach:

Right, yeah, exactly.

Josh:

It's like a physical Yelp review.

Zach:

Right.

Josh:

Exactly.

Zach:

I think also. I think just like our, uh, just like dick size, we're more obsessed with their dick size than women are. So we're probably more obsessed with like being, you know, having a boner and people seeing it. Then they, they don't think they really care that much.

Josh:

I don't care anymore. Now. I don't care anymore, I'll get a fuck now. It's awesome, exactly yeah. And if it's if I can make a joke out of right, push my hips out, lean into it like yeah, look at this fucking. Or just tell me I can't get up right now. Why? Because I have a boner, like oh okay, exactly my dick's hard. Yep, give me a minute. If anything, you should respect that yeah, exactly, I get it.

Zach:

That's how honest I am. I'm an honest, such an honest person that I'll admit when I have a bone.

Josh:

Yeah, we were out and you like couldn't get up. Like what's wrong? You got a cramp. Like no, my dick's hard, I can't get up yeah, okay that's cool, man, take your time. Really, there's no women around. What? Yeah, it's like. Well, I mean, you used to back in the day, you'd get them anyways be like once an hour.

Zach:

Dude, was there 45 minutes to the young men out there or just driving down the road.

Josh:

It's like great yes, here comes 100 young men out there.

Zach:

Just to let you know uh, your home hormones are raging that eventually they'll subside and you will not get random boners. They eventually it happens sometimes it still does.

Josh:

It doesn't completely go like just driving into work and I'm like driving into what triggered this?

Zach:

mine is like I have like a, it's like a uh. It's either a delayed morning wood, yeah, or it's a uh like a uh, um, an aftershock, yeah. I have the initial shell shock like an initial morning wood, and then it subsides and then I get a second wave later, and it's usually on my drive to work.

Josh:

It's always a drive to work. I don't know or sometimes if I get too relaxed yes, it's like I don't know, it's where, like I've been watching like an ASMR, totally random, some somebody getting their hair cut, some kind of relaxing somebody drawing a picture and all of a sudden, I'm like the fuck.

Josh:

Why is this turning me on like what the fuck is?

Josh:

happening and then you have to, and of course you can't you try to like fight it.

Josh:

You try to like yeah, chill out, dude, and then it's just like nope she's gotta sit in it.

Josh:

Just what happens, yeah sit in the parking lot for a minute or bring it in with you.

Zach:

Yeah, exactly, um, yeah, there's nothing you can do. It's not's not even. It's like a boner, that's not even. You're not particularly like horny.

Josh:

No, no, no, not at all, it's just a. It's just a, I don't know. It's like your body is like hey man.

Zach:

Yeah, it's like a little systems check.

Josh:

Let's be in the present.

Zach:

I guess. So Right, yeah, it's not.

Josh:

it's not a vanity, it's a show boner, it's not a functional boner you're like semi peacocking but not looking for a mate, right?

Zach:

yeah, exactly yeah, I got you, exactly right, I'm just on stage, right, I'm not actually like lifting it, there's not. I'm auditioning. Yes, right, this is an audition. This is in the real show, right, okay, well, uh, that's the kind of boners we'll call it an audition boner yeah, audition boner.

Josh:

I'm into that, yep right, a soft launch boner. Yeah, addition boner.

Zach:

Yeah, okay, we'll, we'll workshop some ideas. Maybe I'll add an entry on urban dictionary Okay, which I do have an entry on on urban dictionary.

Josh:

That's like number one.

Zach:

Yeah, man, but I cannot fucking remember what it was. That may have been it, maybe it was. Maybe, maybe it was. Maybe it was Show boner, show boner. All right, well, enough boner talk. Yeah, let's get into the meat and potatoes.

Josh:

Let's do it. We've been all on the meat lately.

Zach:

We've already been on the meat and potatoes the episode. Yeah, what you actually. We've been on hiatus for a week. We've since, since sickness and everything. So what'd you watch the past two weeks?

Josh:

Oh a lot. All right, I'll say the things I did not. The big thing I did not like was Baby Girl.

Josh:

Okay, so that's a new Nicole Kidman movie, kind of a.

Josh:

You know, when you see the trailer it's very like, kind of like Fifty Shades. It's very sexualized, it's like so it's a drama thriller type. Well, she's the, a powerful woman figure, ceo of a company that she started. So you know it's got that whole, you know whatever. And then she has the young intern come in. You know she's having issues at home not being satisfied, meets this guy who it's almost like this submissive dominating thing. So when it first started I was like okay, it's, it was very risque.

Zach:

It was very like sexual right away, like right away. It's like isn't like a gray's anatomy or not gray's anatomy? 50 shades of gray, not as sexy gender's reversed kind of it's.

Josh:

It's just different. It's different. It's um, not as sexy in my opinion. Okay, it's a little more real, how it really would be okay, I think. But you know she's not satisfied at home. She has a loving husband and all that. So I'm like you're like what the fuck is going on here? And then she meets this guy who's not really all that attractive, it's not, you know? I mean, I mean, antonio bandera is our husband of many years, good looking older guy, but she meets this intern like he he's weird too. Yeah, and I've seen these movies before where it's like it just goes wrong. Right, one of them becomes obsessed, but like there was too too much, I just couldn't get into it. It just wasn't a good movie, it was just overdone, I think. I think I'm just, if it's prudent to the story, cool, but this just wasn wasn't.

Josh:

I was like, well, like one scene like she's crawling on her all fours clothed and he like puts a strawberry candy in her mouth and makes her spit it out. And it's just, it's just uncomfortable, it's just weird. I'm like I don't. This is not entertaining, as you're describing it. It sounds like they're trying too hard.

Josh:

That's exactly what it felt like it just and Nicole Kidman is a great actress like was this? You know, there was stories that came out that she was like I couldn't stop orgasming, orgasming on. If I'm saying that right on set, like for these scenes, and I'm like that is just. I don't know, it wasn't. I chewed it and spit it out. I didn't even finish it, I just, if you're interested, check it out, if you're into that. But it's not a good movie. I gave it like a five. I'm trying to think of the last thing. I saw Nicole Kidman in the last good thing. Well, no, she was in that with Zac Efron. That funny, that comedy on Netflix when Billy what's that girl's name? Billie King or Jean King, the cute girl from Kissing Booth?

Josh:

Hold on hold on can't place it okay, kid man netflix movie. I maybe I haven't seen it.

Zach:

A family affair I definitely haven't seen it. That's a good one.

Josh:

She was good in that one I think she was she was I.

Josh:

I really enjoyed that movie. It was fun. Her and zach efron do well together and that's kind of you know um, that's a good one and she was good in cold mountain that's all.

Zach:

I think maybe that's older one, but it's good.

Josh:

Yeah, that was a good one but yeah, it's not her, it was just. I don't understand. It's just a shitty movie. I didn't. I didn't care for it at all. Um, what about you? What's something you didn't didn't?

Zach:

care for uh, what I didn't care for. Uh, so I'll just I'll go on and go right into this. I've been kind of teasing this for the past few episodes, uh and or uh, movie time is a rough start. It was a rough start, uh, so far as nine episodes, uh, one through three was a rough start. Like I said, I felt like 80 of the of the plot lines it was just what they shot and what they made were just pointless. I didn't know what the fuck's going on. Uh, the middle episodes there, uh, the next ones four, five and six weren't really any better.

Zach:

There was a time jump of a year between episode three and episode four and you know, it's just basically the gist that I got all the way up and for those three episodes at least, was Andor was just running missions, right, that's the idea. He was running these covert missions for the rebellion and you can tell he was getting like burnout was the idea. And then his girlfriend Bix, she was like stressing about, she was like on drugs and she was having nightmares and she was stressing about, I guess, her torture that happened in season one and I guess maybe also the attempted rape that happened in like episode three, yeah, which is totally fucking weird and pointless, of star wars and, uh, just oddly placed and um, and then the the stuff that was happening with Mon Mothma. She was just, I don't know, just talking to people and it didn't feel like anything was happening. Essentially, you know what I mean.

Zach:

These characters were just kind of like floating through the fucking plot. There wasn't really anything. I don't know, maybe I'm off, but maybe this is a fucking masterpiece to these fucking, you know, movie critic people or whatever. I think it was fairly boring. And then the last three episodes that happened is supposed to be a little bit more climatic and there was a battle that happened in that way they kind of set it up is on this one particular planet that the, the empire has an interest in? The what's in the ground? In this one planet, planet? It's a resource that they need it? Obviously they need it for the death star. That's the implication, even though outright say it you, everybody knows what that's of course, because this is prequel.

Zach:

Prequel to rogue one is what's happening and, uh, you can see it leading up to rogue one because it actually it's leading up to the battle of yavin. Um, because it says um b, battle of Yavin 4 or whatever. So it's the battle before Yavin is BBY and then before Battle of Yavin, sorry, and then so it's counting down to zero and that's what ends up being Episode 4, right, is the Battle of Yavin. So you can see where it's going. So everybody knows that all this that's happening in this plot is leading to what happens in Rogue One, so there's not really any surprises there. So I guess, if you're watching this show which was my initial interest was watching how the sausage was made, essentially, how the rebellion was formed.

Zach:

But you're not really seeing how the rebellion was formed.

Josh:

Kind of lost their way.

Zach:

Everybody's just like. It's just more of a character study about andor and and his girlfriend bix is going through these struggles and one of my favorite characters from season one because he actually had like cool. There was nobody that's had like a cool moment so far in this show, you know, I mean no one. There was no scene where you're like, oh fuck, that was cool.

Zach:

Not, that's not happened yeah it's just a bunch of people talking and whining and everything that's happened on this one planet called gorman, and the empire needs this resource that's in the ground, and by extracting it they know that it's going to destroy the planet essentially. And so in order to, I guess, contain the backlash because you kind of forget that in even in the, the original essentially and so in order to, I guess, contain the backlash, because you kind of forget that in even in the, the original trilogy, and in the star wars universe, yeah, there's the empire and it's the emperor, but there's still the senate. The senate still exists, it's just under the empire umbrella, and so the the emperor still has to keep the the empire together to the senate, and so there's still, you know forces, that you know he can't just run roughshod.

Zach:

So, yeah, the emperor still does things covertly, yeah, in a sneaky way. It's not like he became emperor and he's like well, I guess I can just do whatever the fuck I want, because it wasn't like even rogue one vader even has. They have to answer, right, they still have answer to yes, and there's a chain of command and all that's correct.

Zach:

Now they blurred the lines a lot, well, of course, and but then they would find some way to spin it or excuse it or whatever right. So there's, there's, you get hints of that, and so they can't just like take, be, like, all right, we need your resource, gorman, fuck you, and they kill everybody. It's not like that. So they have to play this like political game, to where the idea is that the empire has, uh, called it, there's a agency called the um, isb, and it's basically their cia, it's.

Zach:

It's black ops type stuff, it's the intelligence agency for the empire and um, their idea is that they're going to um, stoke a uh, a, an uprising uh on gorman and fuel these guerrilla forces in order to and antagonize them and kind of feed them information and make them grow. And they know that they're happening, but they're fostering it and making it grow so where they'll lash out at the empire, which gives the empire an excuse to wipe everybody out.

Josh:

I kind of like the sound of some of that.

Zach:

And it is a cool concept To me. It's poorly executed, yeah, and it's also. It's just too, there's just. It would be fine if they did all that, if there was also cool shit happening. Yeah, there's no cool shit happening. Yeah, there's really not. Like, there's not really any good like battles, space battles, battles, space battles nothing that's really happening, it's just a bunch of people talking, the only thing that was. At one point I thought maybe this would be good.

Zach:

They did a kind of a the rebels on Gorman did, and these are just rebels for Gorman. They're not part of the Rebel Alliance, they're just, I think, insurgents. That's what they are, is what they call them. So these insurgents are, they hatch, hatch this plan with help from the uh, some operatives with the rebel alliance to, um, uh, steal some weaponry from the empire so they have some weapons to fight back if they need to, right? So that was kind of interesting or whatever. And there's a character one of the lesbians gets killed and there was a whole scene with her and all this kind of stuff and it was powerful. You know, I put that in quotes and I think that's what critics are like. You know, hard about is like oh, it's so powerful and it's adult. I'm like, yeah, but it's boring, like I don't care that. There was like that one particular scene that the actress like really fucking brought it home this plot and the story and everything's boring.

Josh:

They know how they do things. Right they do things right. You know it's important to them, I know, and so it's, that's, that's my general beef with it.

Zach:

And then there's there's one character that uh, I really don't understand what the fuck the point he was. He had this entire season, but he was in last season and he was like a on this one uh planet called pharynx, which is where andor is from, or at least what, maybe not where he was from, but where he'd been where the show started. He was like a low level, like security officer on pharynx and um, and of course andor was doing you know kind of like uh, smuggling rogue shit or whatever and uh, he was stealing um, imperial, uh tech and stuff and selling on black market and he was catching wind of it. He was trying to find out who it was. And so there was like whole cat and mouse thing that was happening in season one between this imperial officer, who was low level, actually wasn't really, he was like a subcontractor, he was just a low level pharynx officer and his basic thing is he's kind of like a ladder climber and he was trying to climb the ranks through the empire and he was using trying to catch Andor to like make his name for himself. He gets hooked into, hooked up with, and literally they start like dating and they're like a thing. But it's with an Imperial intelligence officer who's a woman and she played I mean I said last season she was great. She's had this like prickly fucking, I'm a bitch looking face, like she played like an evil woman perfectly.

Zach:

Um, but him in the season two he's like basically riding her coattails and I can't remember his name. It's um, it's a weird name. It's like uh, isla is, is, is something, but um, see, so freaking forgettable. Well, he's uh and forgettable. Well, he's the one that's on the ground stoking the insurgents and like double-playing him or whatever right, pretending that he's trying to join in with the insurgents, but really he's feeding them information and he's gathering information and all this kind of stuff. He's double-crossing them. So I guess that's what he's kind of doing. And then the massacre happens. They end up successfully goading the insurgents to during this protest in this town square, a firefight shoots off and that actually the empire started. They ended up one of the intelligence officers. They ended up shooting one of their own people Right, which sparked off, and then they retaliated.

Zach:

They thought it was somebody in the crowd and then a gunfight ensues. And during that whole thing this dude comes up and he has a fight with Andor and he ends up getting the upper hand and he's standing over Andor with a gun. He's about to shoot him with a blaster and Andor looks at him. He's like who are you? And then another character, who's one of the insurgents, just shoots the guy in the head and his story is over. And I'm like what the fuck was the point of this guy? There was no closure, there was no like I don't understand.

Zach:

Like he was a main character, right, because that you followed his art, for he was like low-level security officer on a little fucking backwater planet. He worked his way all the way up into where he's like part of this major operation. His girlfriend is like a major operator in the Emperor Intelligence.

Josh:

That wasn't safe.

Zach:

It was just. It was very odd. I was like this is how this guy. It was weird and also just, even though there was a fucking fight happening in Town Square, it was boring. It was boring.

Josh:

Yes.

Zach:

Okay. The best part, I think, was whenever the Imperial droids came out, the ones that were in Rogue One. It was fucking.

Josh:

K2. K2.

Zach:

Yeah, they're very top heavy, they have skinny legs, they're very imposing. Well then things came out and I didn't realize how they got some fucking strength and they were just throwing people and they were dying instantly.

Zach:

It was amazing that was the only part that was like that's fucking cool, yeah, um, but otherwise the show generally is boring. There hasn't really been any space battles that are that are worth a fuck to even talk about, even in season one. Uh, um, uh. Luthan, the, which is the uhellen Skarsgård character he had an awesome scene with that, with the badass ship Fucking cool. And then also whenever he was in the underbelly of Coruscant, he had this monologue about why he's doing this. He's like why he's fighting against the Empire, like why he's, you know, fighting against the empire.

Zach:

And one of the characters that is infiltrated the intelligence agency with the empire was like you know, we're doing all the work. You're just behind the scenes, like what have you know? What does this call? This doesn't cost you anything to do this or whatever. And he goes this whole monologue where it's like cost me my dignity, I'm going to, I'm I'm never going to gonna see the. He's basically making the argument, the, the phrase. You know he's planting the tree, uh, the shade of which he will never know, you know is, and that it's a great monologue. It just doesn't happen in season two. They're just fucking phoning it in I don't know what to say, like there's no great moment. Supposedly. This like one of the last episode, mon mothma who's you know that? She's the leader of the rebellion in the in the last episode, mon Mothma, she's the leader of the rebellion in the movies, her and Bail Organa, leia's dad from Alderaan. They have this.

Zach:

It's time they, after what happens to Gorman, the Empire is like spinning it to being like. Well, it was insurgents. They rose up. We stamped down the insurgency, they started it all. They're the bad guys, you know. So they're. It's all propaganda, building their case, build, making their case.

Zach:

And their plan is working. Now they can, you know. Well, we got to root them out and we've got to kick everybody out of Gorman because we got to root out these insurgents. And then, boom, now they can, you know, refugee them all, and then they can extract the. Now they have an excuse to extract the mineral that they need to get without worrying about backlash. Right, is the whole point. Well, obviously it's bullshit. And so Mon Mothman, bell, organa, they decided their plan is that they're going to have this big speech in front of the Senate and expose the whole thing. Yeah, and then. But they know that as soon as they do that, the Empire is going to arrest them and it'll be over. So then they have to do this speech and then get extracted out real quick and everybody online that's a big, super fan of the show and I was one was like oh, it's such a powerful, it's the moment. And I was like it wasn't.

Zach:

It was kind of like meh, yeah, and she does this speech and it seems fairly generic to me. It wasn't powerful, I didn't really feel like it wasn't old star Wars, it was odd and uh. And then their escape plan was it was weird. It was literally just like Andor showed up, set a code words, so she knew who that he was you know, safe to go.

Zach:

Uh, cause Mon Mothman never met Andor before, so he was, like you know, the bag man and they just kind of briskly but casually walked out of there. There was no, they made it seem like there was. Like it was like a, a Harris chance that this was going to work Like they're right outside and they had to do something.

Zach:

You know had to come up with this master plan and there's no room for error, and he just kind of walked out of there. It was weird, he shot one guy. It was very dumb, is what I'm saying.

Josh:

There was no excitement, no stakes. I'm not going to watch it. It sucks.

Zach:

And also a little side note I mentioned this to somebody and I had to Google this or check on AI just to make sure I was correct, because it caught me off guard. One of the characters says you've got spiders spider on your brain or spider brain. And then someone says something like you know, I'll shoot you like a dog, or something like this. They say the word dog and they say the word spider. And he even gives him like a. There's like a little trinket that he gives him that's in the shape of a spider. It's like a little uh uh trinket that he gives him that's in the shape of a spider. It's like a little spider trinket and he puts it on his like bookshelf or whatever.

Zach:

And I was just like spider dog, hold up Like this is star Wars, this isn't earth, this is a galaxy far, far away. Where are their spiders? And why would they call them? Look it up. And nowhere in any of the original, in the George Lucas Star Wars in the original, I think even in the nine movies of the movies they don't reference earth animals, ever Ever.

Zach:

They don't ever say dog, cat, spider, horse, cow none of that, nothing Right, even whenever they'll reference something where we in our brains we're like oh, I think I know what that is Like when Leia calls Han Solo a nerf herder. We know what he's saying A herder, and we don't know what a nerf is.

Josh:

But if he's a herder and she's making an insult, she's basically saying he's like a fucking cow farmer is what she's saying.

Zach:

He's a backwoods scruffy-looking nerf herder.

Josh:

Scruffy-looking nerf herder.

Zach:

We don't know what a nerf is, but we know what a nerf is, but we get to know where the word herder is. But so that's a reference to a cow. Is what the?

Josh:

they're breaking tradition there.

Zach:

So there it breaks things, and it's the same reason why episode eight, fucking sucked ass, is because you can't just light speed through ships. It breaks things. You're breaking the universe when you do those things. They broke. That entire trilogy broke 100 that entire trilogy.

Josh:

Off that entire it may entire trilogy and it pissed me, the fuck off that entire trilogy.

Zach:

It may seem like a simple thing oh, they just said Spider, but it's not True. Star Wars fans, I don't give a fuck what these critics say about Andor and all and you know it being so good and the acting and the story it's bullshit. They did not handle the season two with care. Season one had a really good start and I was excited about what was going to happen.

Josh:

season two they fucked it I mean the entire, that entire shitty trilogy. Of course you can nick, pick pieces out of it that you like, right? If I get a bowl of trail mix I can pick out the m&ms. I know what are good yes, but in that same thing with that trilogy. But the problem with doing so is or the problem that was a good problem was that it made me respect the prequel trilogies that we all didn't care for very much.

Josh:

Now I go back and watch those and I'm like these are great movies.

Zach:

Yes, Compared to this Because episode one through three had clunky dialogue. Some of the acting was hammed up.

Josh:

It was Lucas's return back to being director. It was, and it was the time that the reason he took the job was to that he could, now that he had the visual effects team to do the things he wanted to do that he could not do in the 70s.

Zach:

Yes.

Josh:

So it's his time to finish his story the way he wanted to.

Zach:

But he still, you know he also he still has this like marketing brain and he wanted to make things for kids and he wanted to sell more toys.

Josh:

Well, Star Wars has always been intended.

Zach:

So that's the reason why he came up with Jar Jar Binks, this reason, like Boss Nass was doing like the shaking his lips, like making these goofy jokes, but he didn't break his own universe.

Josh:

Star Wars innately is for children.

Josh:

Yes.

Josh:

I mean it's for 12, 14, 15-year-old kids Like that's oh shit, what the fuck Look at that. They're on the answer on your honey. Holy shit, that's what it's for. So when people you know, bashed.

Zach:

all these Adults can enjoy it too.

Josh:

Oh, of course I'm not saying they can't, but Lucas is always stuck to what he wants yes and or is not for children. Well, no, I mean.

Zach:

First of all, they would be bored out of their mind. If I'm bored, going to watch it.

Josh:

You can adult it up. Honestly, rogue One is a little bit more adult level darker because everyone fucking dies in it Spoiler, but it stuck to the.

Zach:

But they didn't break the universe. Yeah, it's a great movie, they didn't break the universe. There's three more episodes left, I believe.

Josh:

I think it's 12 total, it's that time of year I think it's 12 total. I must have. Sorry, we got a little infestation. It's that time of year, it's annoying me.

Zach:

I have to address that. But we've got ant infestation that's hitting us right now all of a sudden. Fuck, this time of year, dude. I hate it, anyway, yeah, so that's my main frustration with it. It seems like a little thing, but is it's a big thing?

Zach:

uh, because it means that these people, when they're writing the dialogue, they're lazy, they don't, they don't take care of the universe that they're writing in um and most like most things, I think with hollywood these days is uh, you know you, you hire enough fucking non-binary fat writers, then you're going to get this kind of bullshit, and that's. That's exactly what it is. You know what I'm saying?

Josh:

I was. I was afraid.

Zach:

I'm afraid to ask you now what you did like so I want to rant there, but no, you need to get that out, it's a.

Josh:

I mean it's a popular show like it's.

Zach:

I had to get that out because I was I was hyping it up and I was really excited about it, and it's just a lot of people I can admit that it fucking sucks.

Josh:

A lot of people were excited. Yeah Cause season one was huge.

Zach:

but now maybe you know these last three episodes. Yeah, I'm going to finish it out and see how they end up, cause this is supposed to lead right up to rogue one, and usually you know it's the climax they last it actually comes out. Um, we're recording on a tuesday, so it's actually tonight. It's like probably on right now, um, so I'll watch the last three episodes and and then report back and maybe they're gonna say the best for last, but I'm it overall.

Zach:

They've already screwed the pooch and I'm over it and I just want to get the end, and then I'm gonna watch rogue one and to, to fix it, to fix it yeah I watched the prequels a couple weeks ago.

Josh:

Yeah, I will say something. I'll butt in and say something. I did watch that. I really like that's out right now. That I think's really fun, not sci-fi. The Four Seasons on Netflix, yeah, which, if you guys have it, it's out now on Netflix. It's got Tina Fey, uh Lang Fisher, it's got uh Will Forte. Um, what's up Steve Carell's in it. But what's cool is it's? It's I didn't know it, but it's based off of a movie, uh, of the same name. It's an older film I've never seen it, uh, from 1981, called the four seasons, yeah, from 1981 called the four seasons with Alan Alda.

Josh:

Yeah, so that's what it's based off, but really it's. I just kind of stumbled because I like Steve Carell, I like Tina Fey. Uh, will Forte is good, the cast is great, so I started watching it. But it's fun Like it's a. I think it's eight episodes. It's fun, though, like it's family all been friends for 30 years Steve Carell's character. They're all on vacation and he tells them like oh, I want to divorce my wife of 25 years because of X, y and Z, and you kind of follow the seasons of their friendship and then them vacationing and all this whole thing and I'm five episodes in.

Zach:

That's right. They go on a group vacation every quarter. That's correct.

Josh:

Yeah, and it's a really the writing is good. The jokes land, steve Care the writing is good. Uh, the jokes land steve carell is awesome. Like he's kind of like also like in his glow up phase right now. Um, tina fey's always awesome. She's just saying she looks good. The whole thing is really good so far. It's fun. It's kind of nice taking a break. It's not. It's not hard to follow. Um, you know it's got your token token gay couple. It does, but every couple has their problems that they're trying to like sift through, yeah, but they're important to the story. It makes sense, so that doesn't even bother me as far as that part of it. But yeah, everybody's good in it. It's awesome so far. I'll let you guys know what I think when I finish it, but so far, if you want something light, it's a little different. It's good on Netflix.

Zach:

I think I was reading some reviews about that, but it's not like a raucous comedy or whatever.

Josh:

No not really, it's a little more of a situational family comedy type thing. Yeah, especially for the married folks. It's got those kind of jokes, that kind of land, that way. But it also shows the whole young of an older guy meets a younger woman and how that dynamic works. And then the vacation, of course, the dramas that come with vacationing, like that whole thing, and then getting older and and it's, it's, it's fun, it's a good show.

Zach:

Is it like?

Josh:

that's like couples retreat, but less silly, exactly right, it's not as funny as couples retreat, but I don't think it's intended to be that way.

Zach:

More, more of more of a dramedy.

Josh:

Exactly right. There's good, there's good humor in it, but it's more a realistic. It's not so sorry, it's not a sarcastic humor A lot.

Josh:

There's not a lot of riffing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly right. Um, but yeah, that's what, I that's what, because I tend to go back and re-watch a lot of films. I went back and watched the Jaws movies a couple days ago, which are so fun still, and then I've watched some of these older films. I've got them all written down. There's just too many of them now. I'm trying to keep up. I started Breakfast at Tiffany's. I didn't realize that Audrey Hepburn was a real fox back in the day. She's pretty stunning.

Zach:

That's as far back as I'll go.

Josh:

Yeah, she's a really attractive dark-haired woman but she's so elegant in her appearance it's pretty wild. The movie's not great. I'm halfway there it's still not one of my favorites. It's kind of weird. I'm going to finish it, of course, and then I'll go back and re-watch stuff, but the one thing I don't like you're like going through the criterion collection man, I just stumble on stuff dude did you get a subscription to turner classic?

Zach:

no, that was on youtube movie so I have.

Josh:

You can find most movies for free, most of the time with a few ads. But yeah, like I just get on, yeah, basically like a turner classic, I'm like what the fuck is this?

Zach:

And I'll Columbia pictures is open their vault. You're like I'm there, I'm there.

Josh:

I'm in line with my monocle and my pocket watch. I don't know, dude, like I've just had a very wide net here lately on film.

Zach:

I can appreciate it.

Josh:

But there's not Well, yeah, I guess we could, but there's not Well, yeah, I guess we could. I mean, tell me something you did like, but I guess we can go into it One thing I did like I guess I'll stick with TV shows.

Zach:

Uh is they. Uh, I did finish up and they wrapped up the final season of uh you.

Josh:

Yeah, that's a, that's a popular one.

Zach:

Uh, that was a. I enjoyed it. It was wild. I mean the main character, joe, he definitely just devolves into you know. I guess the point of the season was is, you know, he stalks these women. Essentially, he convinces himself that they're the love of his life and he has to do everything in his power to protect them from them from like bad people to try to do him harm or whatever. And it always ends up into him killing somebody Right.

Zach:

He ends up killing somebody, and then, of course, they either find out or they are not the girl that's the point of his obsession or either find out that he's murdered somebody, or they just turn out not to be who he thought they were Right and his obsession fades and now he ends up killing them.

Josh:

I saw season one.

Zach:

Yeah, so it doesn't end well for everybody involved, but Joe somehow makes it out every time.

Josh:

It's Dan from Gossip Girl. Yeah, 100%.

Zach:

And he's basically the same character. He's kind of like book, smart and kind of like artsy.

Josh:

I saw season one and I just it wasn't bad, but he's like he's a writer. He was a writer in Gossip Girl so it's basically Dan, if he was a stalker, slash, serial killer which he kind of was stalkery, pretty much kind of yeah but if I would stalk Blake Lively?

Josh:

yeah, but I've only hot chicks. Yeah, a hundred percent yeah.

Zach:

Actually, I came across that show, gossip girl, on Netflix and I was like add to list, I'll rewatch that later, cause it's so fucking hot in that show. Yeah, so I'll just fast forward to her scenes. But anyway, I don't care that she might be a bitch, she tried fuck, she's hot as shit.

Josh:

So you get a pass.

Zach:

Exactly this show gives you a pass Even Amber Heard, when that whole thing was going on. I was like she's still hot as fuck Now she crossed the line when she's shitting in his bed.

Josh:

Yeah, but we don't know if she sharted on accident.

Zach:

I don't know the full extent. We weren't there. We weren't there. However, if I can clean that up, I'd be like how big was the shit? Was it solid?

Josh:

Was it messy? Was it solid? Yeah, everybody's shit stinks.

Zach:

Yeah, I wouldn't just dismiss it out of hand. I've got some additional questions.

Josh:

This is when the hot girl privilege card would be played Correct and I would accept the card Correct Exactly and be like you know, just clean that shit up.

Zach:

It's like, basically, if you're hot, you can get away with a lot on this show, but no, it was good and he's. It was kind of like a stripping down of the character to where he's really getting to his final essence and he's always in denial. He can't admit to himself that he likes it.

Josh:

Yeah.

Zach:

That he, he and in this season he finally admits that kind of he enjoys the purpose that he gets by killing bad people. Quote bad people that try to hurt his love Kind of yes. And so and he's also he gaslights himself, he gaslights all the women. He's very manipulative, very Machiavellian. It's great. And so this season he's really at peak, okay. But I do also get the sense that they were kind of rushing in some areas to try to wrap it up because it is the final season.

Josh:

Oh, you got no one to get out though. Yeah, good shows, no one to get out.

Zach:

And I think they got out at the right time. I think they probably could have got out last season and it would have been fine. But they did one more and everybody kind of like you know he's kind of also wrestling with some ghosts of his past, so you kind of get glimpses.

Josh:

So it's four and done Five seasons, that's a good number.

Zach:

I think they went out well, I think the ending was well, because one of the things that I'll go ahead and spoil it, because I don't know what the fuck, unless you plan to watch it.

Josh:

I was going to Okay.

Zach:

Well, I won't spoil it, but it ends in a way that I think people may not expect. But one of the things that it's going to be hard to describe this without explaining it, One of the things Penn Badgley, the character that plays Joe Goldberg in the show, he, when season one came out, he shot the show and then it comes out and he's you know people you know have, he sees the reception that he gets and he was kind of shocked of how many people like loved the character yeah and he was like.

Zach:

I played him as like a bad guy, like you were supposed to not like an anti-hero almost well, he's like he's a stalker.

Zach:

Yeah, he kills people and he's playing him that way and penn badger was like I was like shocked that people were like rooting for joe and it's like the fuck, like he's a piece of shit, and so that keeps going on as seasons go along and if you've ever seen interviews with penn badgley talking about somebody you want to like hang out with, I think he would be a cool hang the dudes you know he reminds me very down to earth.

Josh:

He reminds me of uh killian murphy oh, I do like killian murphy chill, he's not into the fame thing he calls it like. It is like a hewan mcgregor.

Zach:

Yes, kind of like you mcgregor uh, he seems really cool. He's not into the fame thing, he just likes to do his work. Yeah, um, and then he, if you were, were sitting next to him on a bus. He's not going to act like he's famous or whatever he's going to talk to you and be fine.

Zach:

He seems like that, but that was one of the things he would say. He didn't like that. He was kind of shocked that people were sympathizing with this character. He's like no, you're supposed to not hate this character. He's a bad guy. You may be fascinated by him, but you're not supposed to like root for him, and so that kind of bothered him, I guess, and he made some comments about that. Well, I won't spoil it, but at the last scene, at the very end of the show, there's kind of a callback to that, to where he makes a reference and I'm trying not to spoil this where he's. You know, the title of the show is you, and so he's, and the you is usually in reference to the girl that he's stalking or whatever, because he's always talking about like you, you and I love you and I'll look at you.

Josh:

The emphasis is on it's you, that's what his emphasis is.

Zach:

Well, he kind of turns the tables and at the end of the series there is not another person for him to cast that obsession on you, and so he kind of like one of the last lines, he is essentially talking to us as the audience. It's implied he's actually talking to the broad audience within the show, or, you know, the general public in the show, but really it's a reference to us and what he's saying is like the problem is not me, the problem is you, and he's saying the audience, the problem is you guys like this shit. Yeah, that's cool, that's kind of cool dude.

Zach:

You guys are fascinated by this stuff and you guys are the problem. That's the reason why we made four seat, five seasons of this show is because you all are sick.

Zach:

yeah and it's not, and it was a good little kind of thing at the end and I was like, okay, I'm into this, he's not wrong, it was good, I'm not gonna lie. Uh, again, it had some rushy parts, uh, some parts, it was like two. It was uh, even for this show at the, some things happening like that's fucking wild, that would never happen. And sometimes, and it was a little bit turned up to 11 in that regard and this last season. But overall good, I enjoyed it. I think they tied it off Well, it was a good send off. I think it ended appropriately. It was the last episode, especially like I didn't know what was going to happen and you knew it was going to be the final episode. So you really want to see what happens.

Zach:

So I love that. I love that about a finale is you don't know how it's going to go and you know this is the last time you're going to get to watch this show, so all the answers to questions you have they've got to get answered in this, in this one episode, and so cause you don't know if they're going to do like a spinoff or bring it back like they've done dexter, they brought him back, or whatever. Um, so you want to make sure that they do the finale right and you know there's always controversy when it comes to finales like did they do it right? How did people receive like game of thrones, fucking dropped you got no one to get out there the fringe.

Zach:

They screwed they screwed that last episode up the whole last season. Yeah, friend, yes, uh, one of the weirdest ones that people uh recall all the time is seinfeld. The last episode of seinfeld, they go to jail. It's the craziest fucking finale.

Zach:

That's true they all go to jail. Um, it's weird, um, but uh, overall, fantastic. I that is. It's 10 episodes a season. I believe I think the first season was six. It was like they were just trying to. You know it's a short season because it was didn't know the show was going to kick off, but I think every season after that is 10 episodes. Uh, hour long episodes, uh, great. I think the best season overall would probably be the the second and third season. I think it would be the overall the best one. Okay, uh, that's, that's the one with his love interest. Her name is love Quinn. Um and um, that that's. I think my favorite is those two, um, but otherwise very good.

Zach:

I definitely recommend watching it, um, but since that is something I I definitely um enjoyed this week, so definitely better and or skip and or watch you.

Josh:

I forgot to bring this up and I may have on the show in the past I don't think I have. There's a show on Apple which we all know. Apple TV plus brings the heat on their shows Just great.

Zach:

I'm stoked about you need to watch Foundation. You already started it.

Josh:

So there's a show called Servant. I've never brought this up. It's four seasons. I think that's what triggered me. A good show knows when to get out. Yeah, it's four seasons, 40 episodes total. It's in my sham on, and the entire show is good. Every season is good. I got hooked on it and finished the entire thing in like two weeks. It is. Did you mute me? I think I muted myself. You muted yourself. Hey, welcome back. It is probably one of the best shows I've ever seen as far as a one-off show.

Josh:

Really it's creepy Well but it was four seasons.

Zach:

It's four seasons. Okay, I got you. Does that say that? Right? I guess you're saying one-off show.

Josh:

I was thinking like Well, I meant, when I say one-off, I mean it's not an extension, they're not a spinoff, there's no additional content, it's four seasons and it's done. Okay, and it ends. It ends great, it's awesome. Okay, watch it.

Zach:

It's older. What's the?

Josh:

Well, in my Shyamalan, you never know what's going to happen. Yeah, twisted, so there's the has a baby. It's a fake baby. To help with a passing of a baby, they get a nanny.

Zach:

What do you mean? A fake baby Like? So apparently they use that for coping.

Josh:

No, it's a, it's an actual baby doll they use it for certain women whenever they lose an infant, for postpartum stuff or they'll. They'll have a. It's a coping mechanism, okay, but it goes too far.

Zach:

No, no, no. This is a modern times. No, no, no, not at all Okay.

Josh:

And then all of a sudden you're watching it and they get a nanny and you're like that's weird. It's like a fake baby. All of a sudden they come in and it's a real baby and you're like who the fuck's baby is?

Josh:

that.

Josh:

And it's like, oh, that baby's been here and you're like acting like it's a real baby because it is her brother. Walks in and it's Rupert the dude who plays Ron from Harry Potter and he is fantastic in the show and the husband. They're both like who the fuck's baby is that.

Zach:

So when you're saying that this triggered me of a scene with Cat Williams, yes, who the fuck's goddamn white baby is that?

Josh:

Just because you name him Darren don't mean he belonged to Darren. That baby is white.

Zach:

That baby has a credit score of eight 50 right now as an infant.

Josh:

Uh, this one might be mine, uh, but no. So that's watch it. That's all I'm going to give away. And then you just follow the mystery of whose baby is this? Who's this nanny? What the fuck? It's okay. It never lets up. Okay, it never lets up the show.

Zach:

okay, it's an older show, but it just never how old. Here we talking like uh no, it's still, I'm not talking about like black and white, if that's what you're worried about zach.

Josh:

Yeah, no, no, 2019, he's not 130 years old. It started 2019. Okay, yeah, I got you.

Zach:

Uh ended 2023 I guess that's what I was saying, but I never, I never heard of it a guy from work mentioned it and he was like check it out, like all right hooked episode 2019 that. Episode one 2019. That's when Apple TV was emerging. Oh man, dude, their peak. Now it's like they've got all the good shit.

Josh:

Murderbot comes out Friday and I am stoked to watch that. Yep, there was something else I was going to.

Zach:

Oh, we didn't even talk about. We went to the movies. Yeah, thunderbolts, we saw Thunderbolts and theaters.

Josh:

We don't have to go crazy in depth. I don't know if we'll have enough time to go over the entire thing, yeah.

Zach:

I mean, I guess we talked about this right after we tried to do a live stream.

Josh:

Yeah, the camera was wrong on the phone Immediately after viewing on the car ride. I'll get it.

Zach:

We got to figure out the lighting. Well, the lighting and then, yeah, that's fine, yeah, it was still fine, you know I do have them on my wish list, so I should get those lapel mics. I know I got it. I know we're terrible. We should be fucking done with it, and that way we can get some decent audio. And it's not just, I mean, it would probably sound fine on the old iPhone.

Josh:

Oh, they'll do great on the iPhone iPhones are, but I kind of, we'll just go live, we'll do it live, yeah, uh, but anyways, uh, we went and saw it. Big mcu fans obviously. Um, we've talked about all the marvel stuff. Um, I, it was a good movie, for sure good movie. I gave it a seven and a half zach gave it eight uh, did I give. Yeah, you gave it a given eight, you gave it a seven, half, I gave an, I gave it an eight.

Zach:

So very close.

Josh:

It's not what people are going to think from the trailer.

Zach:

It was a good movie.

Josh:

It's not this high action set piece, because I think the trailer is kind of depicted that way. Yeah, which I'm not saying I was disappointed that it wasn't. I have plenty of high action Marvel I've seen. I'm kind of glad it wasn't the high action I thought it was going to be. There's a few things I wanted more of. Obviously Some of your.

Zach:

Yeah, there was no action set piece besides when they all fought Sentry it's almost teased a lot.

Josh:

You get little nibbles. Yeah, I just never got enough. I never got a full bite.

Zach:

Yeah, I would agree with that. I think that the and we talked about this. If this, that the uh, and we talked about this, was you know it, if this was, if this was a movie that came out the same time as like thor and captain, america first avenger, yeah, then it would be up there like it would be on the same same class. But ever since you know, once you have you know in game, and once you have some of the big set pieces and you know, you have, uh, even iron man, the way it ran, like it was, it was up there like I put it on the same, maybe, order as Iron man 3. Iron man 3 wasn't as good. I watched Civil War the other day. Civil War was fucking crazy.

Josh:

It was amazing and I watched Winter Soldier.

Zach:

Winter Soldier yeah.

Josh:

It fits in the glove.

Zach:

Yeah.

Josh:

It fits in there.

Zach:

Well, we compared it to, we were thinking that because it was so good and the critics were raving about it, and it was, you know, high up on the tomato meter, on Rotten Tomatoes that it might be like Civil War or Winter Soldier. Which we love because it wasn't like they weren't fighting aliens or anything.

Josh:

No, no, it was just gritty, but it was just gritty and it was good, it was great scenes yeah, great action scenes.

Zach:

I will say this one it just never reached that level, and it was very predictable. I think, so there's nothing that caught me off guard. It was very formulaic, I don't know it was good.

Josh:

It just never got there. I will say, as far as a villain goes, however, you want to do it without giving a whole lot away. Everybody's seen the trailer, the people turning into shadow and stuff there's more to that, but that is actually almost more terrifying than Thanos in some ways. Yeah, because I mean you don't want to give it away. You're not necessarily killing people, it's spoil it, it's you're. You're living in your own despair.

Zach:

It literally sends them to the shadow. Definitely Like in your own despair. He literally sends them to the shadow realm.

Josh:

Definitely Like in your worst moments you're going to relive it, so it's worse than death, like it's Even.

Zach:

Bob himself. He said I found a room that wasn't as bad. Exactly right, but the room that he was in was basically like from his past, his childhood, where his dad was beating his wife.

Josh:

You had a. It's more. You really saw they. Really I don't know what they did. On personal, you had like a, um, a mental, a mental health issue for one, a troubled childhood, real trauma, drugs and tries to be this shining like pull the best he can out of himself, out of it, but still had so many issues and we saw it too. It was heavy for Marvel. Oh it was, but it was done. I didn't feel like it was. They were like shoving it down my throat. It wasn't like an, an hidden agenda.

Zach:

Yeah.

Josh:

It was a really good character development.

Zach:

I'm excited to see where that character goes from here. Yeah, because he did a great job. Uh, I'm excited to see clearly the strongest character and, uh, we only saw so far, so we saw a tablespoon, yes, but I mean take out, like you know, uh, tiamat or whatever, or uh whatever's the celestial, like, take celestials and the watchers and all them out, out. But as far as like earth beings, oh man, you know, avengers level characters or whatever. Humanoid, definitely the strongest one, he's Superman level. That was the reading I did about it is.

Josh:

He is. I mean, he's fought in the comic world the whole. I mean he's. He is one of the most powerful in the entire thing. Yeah, the power of a thousand suns. Baddest of the bad? Yeah, it's, and you only got. We only got a spoonful. Yeah, baddest of the bad? Yeah it's, and you only got. We only got a spoonful yeah, he was just casually, but the problem with him being himself is that there's a negative side of that that comes out as well.

Zach:

So it's you know, like I said, I feel like I feel like a character like that, because you place him in in the mcu as it is currently constructed. There's no need to have the avengers, just send him out, just exactly right.

Josh:

You just which I kind of like you had said I like that dynamic, so they have to nerf him somehow.

Zach:

I like that dynamic, you nerf him by how he has an alter ego, he has a bipolar side. Yeah, I mean, he really does. He can't control if it gets out. It's very, you know, dr.

Josh:

Jekyll and Mr.

Zach:

Hyde is very, but Bruce Banner and the Hulk, you know he's. So that's going to be the method that they are going to use to nerf him, so that they can actually have a plot.

Josh:

But even in that form In future movies, you can't stop him.

Zach:

No, that's what I'm saying. He has the same abilities, so even when he's in his other form. But they won't have him go fight as Cinder because they're worried about Void getting out.

Josh:

Yeah, of course not.

Zach:

And so it's like well, you sit this one out, they'll come up with some sort of like cause, the characters like that. When you make them too OP, then you can't have a plot. It immediately creates a plot hole, exactly right. Um, because everyone was to be thinking. It's like why are the Avengers fighting just since century?

Josh:

And this is over. I will. I will say Florence P for me was the shining star. I gave her a 10 out of 10. She was fantastic.

Zach:

In that movie she's the focal point.

Josh:

John, what's his name? The guy who plays her?

Zach:

John Walker.

Josh:

David Harbour. He was also second for me. I don't know man.

Zach:

Them together are awesome anyways, he brought the humor and I think most people critics that was the main thing that he says.

Josh:

It was very funny and it was Red Guardian that brought on the john the john the walker, john walker I played a great ass I actually grew more fond of him as the movie went on yes, his character like at first I was like he's just kind of douchey.

Josh:

But as he kind of developed through, I actually kind of fell for the dude. I was like, all right, this okay I, I he's got his heart is in the right place. But he's, you know, he's in the backwash of captain america. He's not the second captain america. He's, you know, killed somebody like yeah, this whole thing, and he's just stewed in this whole thing, right. But I, I really enjoyed him on screen a lot, I think.

Zach:

I think he's cool yeah, he grows on you, because, I mean, the last time we saw him is in that terrible show, yes, falcon and Winter Soldier.

Josh:

Awful.

Zach:

And in that one he plays a total fucking chode Yep Right, and so that's really kind of what you— I really thought that's what we were going to get.

Josh:

That's what we were going to get In this one at first, when he first came on screen— but then you kind of started to like he's not a bad dude.

Zach:

The only, the only character that didn't really have any development whatsoever not really was ghost I don't know, she wasn't even in the end credits not really. I mean, get her powers are cool though well, apparently I forgot, the suit contains her. Yes it's cool it is she looked? Awesome, cool and I I do like her and but I just she was just kind of there as because they needed, you know, an ensemble hero group I could have gone without, and I guess having you know more with is better than less it was.

Zach:

It was not a good number. What without?

Josh:

her. There was a few scenes that she was pivotal for yeah, sure, obviously, but like other than that it's a little forgettable.

Zach:

She moved the plot along, but she didn't have any character arc no not really of course bucky is bucky, bucky. He's awesome, awesome he is, and that people were right when I, when I read some critics and some reviews about it is like this is you know bucky's back?

Josh:

it's like he's the man is him back. I just watched back in the war and he's yeah, now watch what.

Zach:

He is one of the baddest, coolest characters the only bad part again, this is my only real rap on the movie is that and I think you said it right we just got nibbles. We didn't get a full bite, that's right, and I didn't get enough of Bucky. You got one good scene, but it was a flash in the pan. It came and went.

Josh:

You really didn't.

Zach:

I just kept waiting for like, oh shit, that was fucking cool. That's kind of my same beef with Andor is. I'm like I'm just waiting for something cool to happen.

Josh:

But if this after we go see in July, when we go see Fantastic Four, because this was the end of Phase Five, so Phase Six is. We looked at it's only four movies.

Josh:

Yeah.

Zach:

So, this is the end. Yeah, it's Fantastic Four Doomsday. It was not a.

Josh:

Yeah, and the Secret Wars.

Zach:

What was the other one? Spider-man? Spider-man, then Spider-Man and the Secret Wars.

Josh:

So really, if this is a, it's not a bad way to end Phase 5. I don't think it's bad. We've had a lot of filler bullshit in the Marvel world, but this one, I think, ended it well. The end credits scene I set up for something in the future and then yeah, but it's. I'm almost I'm split half and half, like I wanted more action. But then I'm like I'm glad I didn't, like I didn't want the typical mc. I wanted to see if this would bring back some of the old feelings from from our, our mcu that we all love well, I think we'll.

Zach:

We'll talk about the end credit scene. Was the the? You know the end of the movie. Um well, first of all, let me back up the end of brave new world, captain America, brave new world. At the end of that, sam Wilson decides cause he'd been asked and he was reluctant throughout the movie, but he finally gets to the end. He's like he's going to restart the Avengers, right, and so he's. He's, he is the Captain America currently, america currently, and he takes on a protege who becomes the Falcon now, right. So then, so the other, you have the two characters that are going to be the, the progenitors of the new Avengers, supposedly, and so that's where we kind of leave that movie. At the end, he's going to start the Avengers, that's the assumption. And at the end of Thunderbolts they do the same thing. It's the new Avengers, the new Avengers, that's the assumption. And at the end of Thunderbolts, they do the same thing.

Josh:

It's the new Avengers, that's what the asterisk is right.

Zach:

In the title.

Josh:

Which is a better team.

Josh:

They're the new.

Zach:

Avengers, but then in the end credit scene in Thunderbolts there's clearly a clash because Sam Wilson's already doing the Avengers, apparently, like Red Guardian joked that they did a copyright, so his big answer to that is that we were going to be the Avengers, but with a Z and so you know copyright.

Josh:

Bucky and Sam are not on talking. They're not on talking terms.

Zach:

Apparently, I guess and maybe that's, maybe that is because of there's doing two different Avenger groups or something. I don't know. They don't really, because there's no reason for them to. I watched brave new world.

Josh:

There was no reason for them to beef, it must go deeper. Maybe, Sam asked him to join them and he's like, no, we have this team. And then he did, but then he ended up joining with I don't know. It could be something like that.

Zach:

We haven't seen it because I don't know where the conflict came from. But that's a good point. So clearly, what they're setting up is there's multiple Avenger groups, and so who's going to like are they going to coalesce together? Who's going to kind of like elevate to supremacy? It could be the actual Avengers group. And at the end credit scene in Thunderbolts they are about to respond to a galactic threat. I think is what they're saying.

Josh:

Apparently they said the foreign peace care. There was a lot of space activity.

Zach:

And obviously this was sort of like temporal fucking portal that ends up happening and the fantastic four ship comes out.

Josh:

They see the ship and it's got a number four on the side of it Number four on the side.

Zach:

We don't know if it's fantastic for somebody else, but we know. But that's the fantastic four ship. Your theory is that it's Dr.

Josh:

So I, we, I sent you that theory that that guy on that podcast had said that he thinks is in that ship version of doom from. Because if for you guys to know if you've seen the trailer for and we had to, I had to look this up if you've seen the trailer for the new fantastic four, is it called fantasy four begins or the beginning, the full new new begins, something anyway. So when you see that it's set in an alternate universe, that's why it looks the way it does as far as it looks 60s 50s, but also new tech like space travel and all so, but it is a alternate, it's another universe.

Josh:

Yes, because we were all wondering, like, how is that going to tie? Well, that's what happens. They can punch through because obviously the multiverse yes is now its own variance.

Josh:

It's all out here so that's what happens?

Josh:

the ship comes through, but we don't know.

Zach:

And they because the thunderbolts even they mention something, they say the word uh, interdimensional, yeah. So all that's open, this is all open everybody knows that this is.

Josh:

It's a massive world, right, so the ship comes in, that's where it ends. So now starting phase six, fantastic four in july, which we will go see. Yes, that'll be the, the rev up for this. So hopefully we're thinking I, I think you had called as well, you may get something in credit. Scene of doom.

Josh:

So we don't know where he is Like do they already know?

Josh:

Cause? In the, in the other films we've seen, doom knows the. The group, like Reed Richards is his arch nemesis, basically eventually. But we don't know where he is. Is he locked up, is he not? Is he not in this world? Is he going to be in it all? Galactus is the big bad in this one.

Zach:

Doctor Doom may not be in Fantastic Four in any capacity.

Josh:

May not be at all. They are filming.

Zach:

The idea, though, I think, with the multiple Avengers group, and then what they had in the ending credits scene and what you sent me, where they speculate that that isn't the Fantastic four. That's actually dr doom in that ship, so let's just go run with that. My idea that I'm thinking is like let's say that's dr doom. Well, we already know that that's tony's. That's going to be robert downey jr playing dr doom victor of their so it's a variant where it's a variant where where uh tony stark becomes dr doom in this universe, he comes to our universe and I guess Earth 616, right, because that's the main universe, Apparently Earth.

Josh:

in case you guys don't know, 616 is where all of our movies have been happening.

Zach:

Yeah, so that's the. So the idea is that that Dr Doom shows up, I guess he shows up and everybody's like, oh fuck, that's Tony Stark, right. And so Dr Doom being kind of super smart, also Tony Stark super smart, and also both of them kind of manipulative as well, one for evil purposes, one for good purposes that this Tony Stark playing Dr Doom would take this opportunity to develop the Dark Avengers, right, posing as the new Avengers, and so my posing as the new Avengers. And so my thinking is we already have two other Avengers factions battling for supremacy to be who's going to be the Earth's Mightiest Heroes, right? And then you have a third, you have Tony Stark, dr Doom.

Zach:

You know quote in parentheses Dr Doom shows up and restarts the Avengers as well, and so my thinking is that that's going to be Doom's Day, is going to be kind of it's actually not Tony Stark's Doom, is not actually the Doctor Doom, it is a Tony Stark variant that comes to our universe, starts the Dark Avengers, battles it out with the other Avengers groups. Maybe there's some trickery that happens or whatever, but we don't actually see, and that'll be the whole plot line for Doomsday is Avengers groups fighting each other.

Zach:

It's almost like a Civil War Part Deux. I'm okay with it. Yeah, I think it'd be cool. I think that we will not actually get the real Doctor Doom, maybe not even in Doomsday. We may not get it until Secret Wars.

Josh:

or get the real dr doom, maybe not even in doomsday we may not get it till secret wars or maybe it'll tease somewhere in the middle of the credit scene. Have you looked up secret?

Zach:

wars some that's the much bigger movie that's the bigger movie, that's the I mean, that's the end game level, that's the yes, we're talking about war, new world bringing together, yeah, but I mean doomsday has a huge cast.

Josh:

It does like infinity it's gonna be big.

Zach:

It does, um, both. Bruce our is doing both of those, so it's going to be huge. But that's my speculation is it seems like they're they're setting the stage for Avengers groups to Duke it out in doomsday, is my guess, and then doom will have a Dr Doom, the real one, maybe, maybe even the Tony Stark one, or maybe he's just a variant. They'll end up having the parliament of doom and there'll be the you know, basically the evil group. And, um, cause I, I've, I've, I've told you this before. I don't think that they're going to, they're going to have to explain the King, the council of Kings, that they did at the end of quantum mania.

Josh:

Well, he'll be origin the comics. That's what I'm saying.

Zach:

So I think I think they will have to tie that up. With jonathan majors exiting the mcu and they ditched the king dynasty and they change it to doomsday. But king and dr doom have a very similar you. I can see how they could easily swap in dr doom but keep some of the main plot elements, like the multiverse and the council of kings. They're just going to have the parliament of doom and have all of the doom variants instead of the King variants, warring for supremacy, right, essentially. So I think that that's what they're going to they're going to end doing, and so that's the reason why I think that that now I've told you this I don't know if we said this on the show, but that's the reason why there was multiple when they announced who's going to be Dr Doom during Comic-Con I think it was Comic-Con, it was that, uh, in Robert Downey, downey Jr Took off the mask and then started this whole controversy.

Zach:

He wasn't just up there by himself as Dr Doom and then ripped off his mask. He was up there with like 30 other people in the Dr Doom costume. Well, why did they do that? For effect? No, I think they were hinting at the fact that there's multiple.

Josh:

Yeah, which I like better, but he'll be playing four different characters. Yeah, they've already come on, so that the next day after you said that, yep.

Zach:

And if you look at the doom, if you look at the doom cast list and you see the characters are playing. Steve Rogers is coming back, but he's also playing captain Hydra, yep, everyone playing like the evil, dark Avengers variant version of themselves. So that's the reason why I'm thinking the way. I'm thinking that Tony Stark's going to show up as Dr Doom into our six one six universe and he's going to. He's dig his way in Tony Stark in six one six is he's a martyr. He's like the most known like he.

Josh:

It's going to call out everybody. He snapped everybody.

Zach:

So he is like you know he's he's going to cause some confusion. He snapped everybody back, it's going to cause some.

Josh:

So he is like the fucking Pope, he's like Jesus, or we're wrong, and that is the fantastic.

Zach:

And if everyone's going to follow him immediately and there's going to be controversy, I'm like, well, is this really the Tony Stark?

Josh:

And I think Dr Doom, being super smart, is going to lean into that and he's going to manipulate everybody and he's going to do or that's my guess, it's actually the Fantastic Four in there- or I'm completely wrong. And they're coming to warn that we had to get out because Galactus is too hard, or Doom shows up and kills Galactus and it's fucking crazy.

Zach:

I don't know, who knows. So the end credit scene for Thunderbolts could be the ending of Fantastic Four, or it could be the beginning. It could be their initial trip.

Josh:

I don't know. It's pretty sweet. I think it's the ending. My voting is the ending of Fantastic Four, I think. Ending two.

Zach:

That's my guess. I think they have to leave for some reason. Because if they show up to Earth-616 in the beginning, before they get their powers, what happens in 616 to where they get their power?

Josh:

They may have to go and find help with their situation.

Zach:

Yeah, I think it's. I think is an end thing. I think somebody is escaping, whatever universe that is the fantastic four is in and they're escaping. Maybe it's the fantastic four. Whoever's in that ship is escaping that universe into six, one, six but I would definitely recommend watching it if you guys have any.

Josh:

If you have any, don't let us. We're not downplaying it.

Zach:

It's a good movie everybody's making this, saying this that it was the second highest rated to endgame. It may be rated that way because it's a good movie but it is not the same level of excitement as endgame.

Josh:

You don't get chills. I never got chills, I never got excitement.

Zach:

I never got tears of awesome joy. It's not as cool as Winter Soldier. Like I said, I think I put it on the same level as the first Thor, the first Captain America, maybe the first Iron man. It's a prerequisite.

Josh:

It builds off these characters that by the end of it, I'm a huge fan of them together. Yes, but by the end of it, I'm a huge fan of them together.

Zach:

Yes.

Josh:

More so than I was in Black Widow. I have a new respect for all the characters, even Bucky. It's good.

Zach:

Side note Julia Louis-Drives' character. I appreciate that character. I like that character a lot because I like that. There's a character in there that is very Nick Fury-like in the sense that she's utilitarian. She's not really good or bad, she is doing Valentina de Fontaine, she is doing things for the ends justify the means. She will do whatever it takes to a uh elevate her own profile because, in her mind, she's the only one suited to handle these level threats right.

Josh:

Yes.

Zach:

Thanos had the kind of the same mentality. He just went the wrong way. He's like the universe is solely dying and killing itself. There's not enough resources going around. I'm the only one that can see it around. I'm the only one that can see it. I'm the only one that can do something about it. She has that same kind of mentality. Tony stark kind of had that same mentality. That's reason why he made the iron legion, um, and then, uh, obviously nick fury has that kind of yeah, so she's not necessarily a step ahead, and he's always into everything.

Zach:

She's kind of the same level, yeah, except she's newer onto the scene and she's going through a political level she's selfish, but when they did a little flashback in her own. You can see why she thinks the way she does.

Josh:

I had a new respect for her, because at first I'm like look at this bitch well, she's trying for her status yes, but she, I actually kind of I like her I like the character.

Zach:

she's not very black and white, uh, she's very practical. She pragmatic, and the one line that she says that sums up her character. She says there's no good guys, there's no bad guys, there's bad guys and worse guys.

Josh:

Yeah, and she's not wrong, right.

Zach:

It's basically saying like nobody, like there's no true, like altruistic, like you know, perfect little angel people, like everyone's got like some darkness to them, but you do the best you can I'm reading between the lines here. You do the best you can because there's worse people out there.

Josh:

She's a good addition. I like her in the show. I liked her in the movie a lot.

Zach:

You need that character. You can't have everybody, just be bad and good.

Josh:

There wasn't bad casting anywhere. The whole movie is. There's no bad anything. It's cool.

Zach:

No, I think it was good. It's a cool-ass movie.

Josh:

I would agree. I'll watch it again when it comes out.

Zach:

My only disappointment is spoiler. I'm just going to spoil it. Taskmaster dies early.

Josh:

Yeah, that was really a come-out card.

Zach:

I kind of wish we got Taskmaster a little bit more.

Josh:

I wasn't happy with the way they went with that character.

Zach:

I was fine with the character dying necessarily, but you know it was just dies early. That's a cool character. I don't like how it's cast.

Josh:

I don't like the anything backstory.

Josh:

I don't like any of it.

Zach:

I like comic, accurate Taskmaster but that's such a cool character. I don't think they did it justice. Actually, I went back and watched some scenes from Black Widow. Definitely did it justice in Black Widow. It was so much cooler 100% does, and I think that was my disappointment with this movie is it's just the maybe, the action choreography and the action set pieces. I was like they just weren't as good good, they weren't as creative, as inventive and exciting as past movies.

Josh:

I just don't think it was supposed to be that kind of movie. I guess, I think they intended it to be more story-driven, which really was. It wasn't. Like you and I just said, there's not any high-action set pieces.

Zach:

A lot of what they did wasn't really like superhero-level moves. We've seen those same moves the launcher. We've seen all that, yeah he's very strong and you see that when they save people, but nothing's nothing, except whenever he blocks that car. That was like rolling down the street.

Josh:

So he has this like one show of strength, but I just watched I mean today, I was watching civil war and the stairwell fight in the apartment. Oh my god, I mean he's a, I mean he's a month, I mean he is a super soldier yes. Yes, the abilities he shows there and even Cap.

Zach:

It does not translate to what we see now, the only time they showcase like oh, the only time you were reminded like, oh, these guys have the super soldier serum in them is when they were like lifting a heavy rock or blocking some debris. Yeah, you know what I mean. Well, taking the hits, taking the hits sure. But like I don't know, I just feel like there was any. You know, I want to see one person throw a fucking car or whatever. You know what I mean.

Josh:

And maybe we'll get more of that as it goes on. Maybe we'll get to see them at max maybe. But I kind of think to some of the action, Like it is a very like what they're doing is incredible, but we've seen them do much more. So it's like, yeah, but I've seen you like run 60 miles an hour and catch a motorcycle with one arm and get back on it.

Josh:

Yeah right, there was no cool move like that I just watched that you know and maybe he's I don't know, he's Congressman Barnes, I don't know. I think we'll get stuff later on. I think we will.

Zach:

It's like everybody got nerfed and it depends on what they're doing.

Josh:

Like if he's only saving people. It's like, do I really need to do like? Do I need to overexert, like you?

Zach:

know he tries to go and fight Century and he the one cool scene that he did, and so that's the reason I was like, uh, it happened earlier in the movie or maybe in the middle and that's the reason. Maybe I forgot about it. But when Bucky does show up on the motorcycle, I forgot the one cool thing he did do that was like unique. That's what I was looking for. I was looking for some creativity. In a fight scene, you or throwing something or lifting something heavy or flying across the screen or whatever. We've seen that all before. I want to see something creative that only this character could do. You know what I mean? Yes, that kind of stuff, and Bucky did do. One really cool thing is when he dropped that winch on that truck.

Josh:

That was cool, and so that truck was going and he grabbed it up.

Zach:

He pulls it down, he wrapped it around his arm and then just punched the ground, so, you like, anchored it into the ground and flip that with his own strength with his own strength.

Josh:

That was cool, so you do get, so you do know how strong he is, yeah. Like it's. Everyone knows that, and so is the red guardian. I mean they're. They're both enhanced humans.

Zach:

Yes.

Josh:

Like it's, yeah, but is not, like it was in Civil War and Winter Soldier. Those fight scenes were on a whole level. But good movie though. Great movie Worth going to see in theaters. I actually missed going to the theater. That was really fun getting to do that again.

Zach:

We've talked about this. We're going to try to do that more. We used to go try to see everything get on the marquee.

Josh:

May's not great. Like I said, we need to go see stuff. There's some horror movie like Weapons. I really want to go see Weapons.

Zach:

We need to make a point to go see at least every other week, twice a month.

Josh:

I guess you could say oh yeah, we can do that Something in theaters For sure, so we can maybe plan for the next thing that's coming up.

Zach:

We'll need to get a calendar together If, if they want to.

Josh:

I've told everybody just to send me messages to the Instagram. Let me know if there's something you guys are interested in or, you know, if y'all want to tag along for a movie just let us know. We're a fun hang. Just tell us when y'all want. What do y'all want to go see, and we'll go see it.

Zach:

Um, I need to watch. Uh, start with Casablanca.

Josh:

You won't make it through, gone with the Wind? Okay, you won't. It's not your cup of tea at all, dude, you're going to hate it. Okay, casablanca you'll like, but you're going to hate Gone with the Wind. I will be the judge of that You're going to hate. Gone with the Wind.

Zach:

Well, I think I need to watch Gone with the Wind, so I can rant about it?

Josh:

Fuck, quick, shout out before we tie it all up. Shout out Selma Hayek for being on Sports Illustrated and being hot, and for one, please, with your modest bullshit, or whatever you want to call it, when she was like you know, when I was young and hot. And now what do you mean? And now, yeah, what planet? And that you were talking about? Her body is not like a model, are we?

Josh:

seeing the same person she's like what?

Zach:

59 or some shit. How old is she?

Josh:

No, she's almost Hold on. I sent it to you guys today on our guy chat.

Zach:

She says that she's like if you've met someone your age, she looks better than most young people.

Josh:

That's what I'm saying Actually I think oh, I shared it on our podcast page today. Hold on, she is. Sounds like you're just watching porn. I'm not. It's her, it's from her photo shoot, but like she's absolutely I mean outstanding, Like one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen in my life. Definitely not this. Yeah, she's not that fucking. What is that thing?

Zach:

Oh my god, she's 58.

Josh:

58. So my guess is 58 years old and she looks better than most 20-year-olds. Everything's still perky and tight. She looks absolutely stunning and for her to say she doesn't think so, she's just trying to be fucking nice. What planet are you on? And I know all you other women are going to bash her, because women love to bash other hot women. That's fine.

Zach:

She's obviously probably, she's probably had some work done.

Josh:

Whoever did it has done a great job.

Zach:

She did it. She's done it right. She does not overdone it. Clearly she looks absolutely stunning. Also, that is taking care of yourself.

Josh:

Yeah.

Zach:

But also, let's be real, that is a level of genetics.

Josh:

Probably a little bit.

Zach:

Probably probably but let's say if it was 20 of it all, that's a trifecta you do all those things trifecta there.

Josh:

That's how you can look like a fucking smoke show at 15 8 smoke show woman. She looks incredible, yes like shout out to you, my friend we all appreciate it you stopped aging when you did dust it on you froze in time and you look better than ever.

Zach:

Oh yeah, absolutely there's elizabeth berkeley's the same way. Yeah, not Elizabeth Berkley, elizabeth Hurley.

Josh:

That's what I said, elizabeth Hurley.

Zach:

Elizabeth Berkley. She was that. Oh shit, what was she in? Was she in Showgirls?

Josh:

I don't know. Elizabeth Berkley, I don't know.

Zach:

But I said it right the first time.

Josh:

Okay, whatever you say, oh, she's from Saved by the Bell. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. She looks good too, anyways, yeah, so shout out to her. I'm glad they're putting hot women back on Sports Illustrated, not fucking creatures and overweight women.

Zach:

I saw that it was an article or like a post where it was Selma Hayek back on there and also Livvy Dunn who's that LSU gymnast, I'm aware and it was like. The headline was like the era of hot women is back.

Josh:

It's. I'm sorry, that's the way it should be.

Zach:

I agree this. I'm glad this was a flash in the pan of this. Like let's put a bunch of gross people on magazines.

Josh:

Let's accept it, and let's accept it.

Zach:

Like I'm not saying, like say what you want. My thing is my thing is like it's not like chauvinist or misogynistic or whatever to expect a level, a standard of beauty on things like that. Like I'm not saying that, like those you I'm not saying that if you don't look like that, you're gross, that's not what I'm saying Don't be gross, don't be gross, but I'm not saying that if you don't look exactly like this.

Zach:

you're gross. Don't be gross. Everybody knows what gross is right, but I feel like our society, for the past few years, has elevated gross in order to be transgressive. Yeah, they're transgressive just because they can't attain that. They don't want to do what's necessary to look that way. I mean just because you can't get to it.

Josh:

It's like glorifying laziness and unhealthiness.

Zach:

We want to give you a trophy just for fucking existing. Yeah, it's like a participation trophy. You did nothing to earn the accolades.

Josh:

Even if I can't get to the 100 she's at right, I might be able to get to 60. It's better than the 20 I'm sitting at.

Zach:

It's the same reason why I can't fucking stand abstract art. It's the dumbest shit. I don't care how you made it. I've seen people where they're like suspended from the fucking ceiling on a rope and they punch a hole in a paint can and they spin around a canvas that's on the fucking floor. That took zero skill. You're a dumbass and they'll sell it for hundreds of thousands of dollars because rich people are stupid. So, uh, I hate that shit. That took no skill, no effort whatsoever and you think you're being you know artistic and and because no one's thought of suspending from a fucking ceiling and spinning around with empty you know holes and paint cans. This is dumb. Dumb as shit ever. I hate it. It's the same kind of things, but they're elevating and promoting bullshit and putting ugly, gross, non-binary, fucking fat people on magazines covers is bullshit.

Josh:

I'm sorry. Meghan Trainor, the singer, just came out and she did some weight loss medication and got a boob job and she just did a performance with her new body she looks great, yes and everybody's like well, now she was singing that song all about the bass because she was thicker and they're like where's the bass at now? I'm like let's be honest, guys, thin is in yes, it's not cool to be big she feels great. She even said, she feels much better.

Zach:

I'll go even further, like dude lizzo is even losing weight, right oh well fuck me the fucking. She was the, the biggest promoter of, like, biggest beautiful and if you didn't think, if you didn't think so.

Zach:

You're a piece of shit. Guess what? These people, these celebrities I'm just going to cue people in here um, their attention horse okay, they're going to follow where the attention is, yeah, okay. So as soon as fat is out and thinning in, that's where they're going to go where the attention is, yeah, okay. So as soon as fat is out and thin that's where they're going to go those principles go out the fucking window.

Zach:

Yeah, so this whole thing that Lizzo had were big is beautiful, and you know she was full of shit the entire time.

Josh:

It was easy to tell you.

Zach:

Yeah, because somebody. It was a trend that was working and she leaned into it and it allowed her to be lazy and not have to work out and eat right and take care of herself, and she was trying to convince everybody that that big is beautiful and all this kind of stuff like that. It was a lie, it was bullshit, we all knew it, and as soon as the tides turn, she went with it. So, uh, her principles went out the fucking window, yeah.

Josh:

Yep, I'm over it. I'm over it too, I just, I don't give a shit anymore.

Zach:

And I say all this knowing exactly what I look like. But I'm also not looking for attention, I'm not putting myself on magazine coverage.

Josh:

But dudes are also different. Women bash their own group, like we talked about this the other day, where everybody bashes Sidney Sweeney. They just bash the shit out of her. They're like, well, if she didn't have all. But when we see a good looking dude, it's like my fuck, you look good dude. Yeah, exactly. If I go buy a magazine and I see some dude, it looks great. I'm not like, well, look at this piece of shit trying to have this unobtainable bot.

Zach:

I'm like dude looks pretty good and if it doesn't affect me, and if it didn't matter and we just put ugly people on tv, all the ugly and fat people on tv. What's the point of fucking movie stars, dude? You know what? Know what I'm saying?

Josh:

We've said it before Attractive people make everything better. They do you tell me right now when you go to a restaurant or you go anywhere in a business and the person is attractive, you'll remember it way more.

Zach:

I'll go even more basic Do it. You go to the fucking grocery store and you go to the produce aisle and you're looking at fruit. You always pick the ones that look good, even though it's all the same shit, dude, just because a banana has a couple little brown spots on it Inside, it's probably the exact same fucking banana as the other one.

Josh:

Well, it's the same thing when you go to the gym.

Zach:

A misshapen tomato is going to taste just like a perfectly round one, but you're going to buy the perfectly round one, but you're going to buy the perfectly round one.

Josh:

Same thing when you go to the gym. Another woman, the perfectly round one. Same thing when you go to the gym and the other woman will be like I can't believe she's wearing that. I'm like I can, I can fucking believe it, because if you look like that, you would fucking wear it too. Right, whether or not it's for attention or her own personal whatever, who cares, it looks awesome. Yes, would you rather see that. Or that rotund man or woman over there? Yes, what would you rather see? The hot chick or the hot dude?

Zach:

Fuck off and I've said this before it's like if you were born ugly. You can't help it. You can't help it. You can't help ugly. You can't help how tall you are.

Josh:

But you don't have to be gross, that's right. You do not have to be gross, no one was born gross. Well, I mean, it's kind of gross when you're born.

Josh:

don't want to admit it, I admit it you know, I mean, I'm not saying, I'm walking around.

Josh:

Yeah, we do. I'm not walking around like I'm a 10 or anything, but if I was like a three, I'd be a three.

Zach:

But I would try my best to be a four right, but I wouldn't know that I'm not a 10 and and look, saying everything you know, but for if you're on screen it helps like you need to be attractive I'm sorry, I mean attractive people even statistically make more money, especially in sales, than ugly people.

Zach:

Yeah, exactly, it is a natural. For some people it's a natural-born talent. We'll just say that it's something that they just have because they were born that way. Some people don't necessarily, and they develop themselves and we've seen glow-ups before right, where actors or actresses they have have a glow up phase and they're like holy shit, impressive who is this?

Zach:

right, it's great, um and so it's not something that you, you know, just born with or you don't have. You can develop attractiveness and and look really hot or whatever. Uh, and they have their place. I don't necessarily need my doctor to be smoke smoking hot. I need my doctor to be really fucking smart and not a dick. That's what I need. So that fits there. But if you're hot, then if you're on screen, you need to be hot. We've said it before.

Josh:

Just show runs on attractive people and make everything better.

Zach:

There's a reason why in pharmaceutical sales they're all hot women.

Josh:

Don't think for a minute, if I didn't open a business, that I would not have all attractive people. Yes, sorry, right, I mean.

Zach:

You go to and this is not really like a hot or not conversation, but it's like presentable and not presentable. Yeah, if you want to boil it down to, you go to a fucking I don't know. Hardee's in the middle of fucking nowhere and you're like ugh, I don't know if I want to eat this food because of who's making it. You know what I'm saying? You go to any fucking Chick-fil-A. They've got it fucking down.

Josh:

Everyone in there is clean, cut, but everybody's clean. It's not necessarily hot, not everybody's hot. That's my point.

Zach:

No, of course not, but they're well put together.

Josh:

They're presentable. That's right, that's right, you're damn right. It matters, it does matter. Well, I mean take for instance, like I don't wear work attire.

Zach:

I dress like I'm going to battle.

Josh:

I don't mean to knock on Hardee's, battle the bands every day I do. I dress like I'm going to warp tour, but also make sure I'm shaved, my hair's done, my face is done, like I make sure that if I'm gonna look but like you got to do something yeah, you got you got you know you, sometimes you ain't for up for it that day.

Zach:

Yeah, it's not to be all the time right but if you, yeah, exactly, fucking babe, you know, if you forget to shave that day, okay, fine, whatever uh, that's fine, I think we just don't live in gross people yes, that's the, that's my thing fuck it's gross people.

Josh:

I'm not a bit.

Zach:

We probably sound shallow, like you know you see, you know, everyone has has come across the person where you're like. Well, you're not a terrible looking person but, like you, clearly haven't bathed in three days your hair's greasy you haven't brushed your teeth um. Your clothes are wrinkled um. That's like disheveled. Let's give a shit. Did not give a fuck you could there's.

Josh:

You know those people you can make, you can make. Do you want to?

Zach:

be around those people. No, no you don't?

Josh:

I mean, we just saw in thunderbolts florence was in a sweatsuit with combat boots and she looked smoking hot. Yes, but she wasn't gross, it wasn't wasn't gross wasn't gross.

Zach:

Everybody in that, in Everybody in the movie. I didn't see anybody. That was gross, you know why?

Josh:

Because no one wants to watch Thunderbolts with gross people no. We just go to Walmart. No, we're really shallow. Yeah, I know, maybe that's the problem. I don't give a shit.

Zach:

I don't give a fuck. It's what I feel. It's right now I feel gross.

Josh:

To be honest, we just like hot women. I think that's the problem.

Zach:

Yes, the women get high fives.

Josh:

They're so cool. The women get high fives, they're so cool.

Zach:

The men get open mouthed.

Josh:

I think I told Jacob that a few weeks ago I was like dude, hot women are so cool yeah.

Zach:

Cool women are cool too.

Josh:

Oh yeah, cool, hot chick. That's awesome too. Yeah, that's hard to come by. It is, I think, I don't know. Uh, they're out there. I don't actively search. Yeah, no, that's true. Our instagram feed is full of them. Yeah, I think none of them may even speak english. I have no idea.

Zach:

Yeah well okay, well, hot people are cool yeah, that's true, um, and women don't. Women don't act like you don't have these standards in your head to relax, because I hear it all the time where you know they, I can see it.

Zach:

You guys have just. You guys have your own standards. They're just different than ours. Yeah Right, I've, I know there's people that are really attractive, great people, right. But for some reason women have this and I think it definitely has to be like an evolutionary thing or something. But if you're tall, it makes everything different. Tall is like the hot for women. You know what I'm saying.

Zach:

If you're tall, you're immediately hot. Yeah, even if you're goofy, kind of goofy looking, or if you have a boat, if you of goofy looking or if you have a boat, right if you have a boat, if you have a boat, you could be four foot two. Yes, yes, you need a boat, bro, it's like uh, six it's like six foot six inches, six figures six figures or a schooner, and then, uh, you didn't buy a boat.

Josh:

I do need to get a boat. If you got a boat, tell you man, the fucking women come out of nowhere, dude, you know what would have happened? I've asked women. You know what would have?

Zach:

happened. If I got a boat, I would be sailing by myself or on a boat by myself. I would wreck the thing and drown.

Josh:

Not true, not true. I'll wear a life jacket. Okay, and they're like oh yeah, I'd be out there.

Zach:

I'd be out on our boat with like a bunch of like women bikinis or whatever, and then fucking b would would stroll up in a fucking paddle boat and take them all from me I don't think so.

Josh:

He would just board the boat with you and probably take the boat and you'd be the skipper, and then he put me in there.

Zach:

I'd have to row myself back to shore.

Josh:

But they would dude. I've asked women before, and they're like oh, it's anytime we can get in the sun, drink and we're there. They don't care what that dude looks like. They've told me they would go out on a boat with an ugly dude If he had a boat. I've fucking seen it at the lake, it's the boat.

Zach:

It's being out in bikinis being in the sun, the water, the alcohol.

Josh:

It's other women.

Zach:

I think they're cosplaying. I think they're LARPing.

Josh:

There's been a rise in women dating uglier men than themselves because they're nicer, they treat them better and they like the idea of being semi, not worshipped but appreciated more, because the man's not so much focused on himself looks wise.

Zach:

Well, last summer it was the summer of what was it Like? Rat face guys or guys that look like uh, oh, you're talking about the pete davidson. Pete davidson yes, and then there was um, uh, uh, what's his name? Um, jeremy allen white. Yeah, then the bear yeah right, he has a, you know. So there was like ugly like ugly rat guys were like in that last summer man my god pull women, man my.

Josh:

God MGK got old Megan pregnant. Oh, I know, I do like his music. I like Pete Davidson. I think he's a cool dude. Yeah, I think he's probably cool.

Zach:

I told you I saw him in a bar once, but I think they pull ass yeah. Yeah, but again like Pete Davidson, I mean I've heard people say women say guys are like this guy really has to keep pulling.

Josh:

They're not intimidating either.

Zach:

But women have been saying it and they say it's because he's funny and he's nice. He's not a dick to them. I can talk to him. He's presentable, he's not gross. Yeah Right, clearly he may not be. He's not the most attractive dude, obviously he. Clearly he may not be the most attracted dude. Obviously he's weird looking. But here's the thing that they don't mention. That really is secretly what's going on here. The motherfucker's tall he is tall.

Josh:

That's what brings him in.

Zach:

Both of them are tall, that's the thing is that they don't understand. That's the honey, that's the fly trap.

Josh:

I don't know. I've never been tall. He's tall, me neither.

Zach:

He's tall, it brings them in. And then if you don't have anything to offer at that, at that point, if you're not funny, you're not interesting, you're not charming, you're not nice, then they'll fucking be like okay, well, he's just a tall, boring dickhead, I'm out of here. But tall brings them in and don't let them fool you. That's exactly what's happening. Then, once they get in there, the six figures, the, the personality, the be funny, something you gotta have something else.

Josh:

You can't be just tall but that's what brings them in. I honestly have no idea what women are looking for anymore.

Zach:

Well, and this is also, I have no what I just said probably applies to, like you know, 60% of women, and then there's another 20 that don't give a flying fuck, and there's another 20 that that they're a lot more diverse, I think, as far as viewpoint and things they like and don't like, than we are. Most men would agree. Sidney Sweeney is hot as fuck. You know, what I'm saying 99%.

Josh:

Yeah 99.5%.

Zach:

Yeah, the only ones that don't are gay. You know what I mean. Good call, but women have various viewpoints on what's what a hot man is or a hot chick or a hot chick because they bash her in the ground they smell.

Josh:

I just don't see it right, all right well, we're a lot more uh we're.

Zach:

We're definitely more uniform and what we find hot. I mean we have varying degrees or whatever, but they like uh women, I think it's it's um a much wider range of what's attractive. I agree uh to them, yeah which is good.

Josh:

Uh, it's good for me yeah, that's true, it's good for you, it's good for me thanks, hey, buddy, all right well, he's saying wrap this shit up, let let's wrap it up. Yeah, like follow the same spiel. Like follow, share. Yeah, please share, if you don't mind. If I make a post, please share it. It only takes a few seconds. I would really appreciate it. You don't even have to tag us, just share it. Try to get some more views out there.

Josh:

Try to get some more followers give you a shout out yeah, if you guys do also, uh, keep sending me movies that you think we should see. If you guys do want to tag along for a movie, um, if you guys would be interested, just message me and we'll we'll get it scheduled up. We'll let you know when we're going to be at one, and if you guys want to come tag along, that's cool too. Unless you're fucking weird, then we'll probably have to tell you a different time and we'll go at a different time. But if you're somebody, of course, if you're somebody we know, you're more than welcome to come join us. Um, and also, if you guys want to be on the show, we do call-ins. Uh, we're not gonna do any, probably.

Josh:

We don't have any equipment, that's uh we can make it work if we wanted to, but it probably easier for you to just call yeah, just to call him.

Josh:

You can call him, we can discuss whatever you guys want movies. Tell them there's something, you saw something, you hated something, we said you don't like whatever. Feel free to message the instagram, we can set it up. You know, if we need to adjust our schedule for that, we can too. It's not a huge deal, uh. But yeah, uh, catch up on old episodes too, if you haven't heard, um, even the one where zach lost his uh tp virginity type situation.

Zach:

I can't remember the exact title Coming of age and coming of age in a TP Great episode.

Josh:

Yeah, that's, that's really it, man. Just I appreciate everybody who's been listening. It's still a blast. We got some stuff we always talk about working on and maybe one day we'll eventually get to it. Maybe, who knows, It'll be a surprise. It'll be a surprise for us.

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